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well greetings and salutations friends

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and welcome back to truth seekers

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tonight i'm so excited because we are

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continuing our

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new series revisiting roswell

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uh and tonight is going to be a special

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one uh first of all

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a big this was big news to me

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i was watching i watched tim poole's

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show almost daily

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and uh i tuned in and jeremy

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alien scientist our guest tonight was on

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tim pool so

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big congratulations to him i mean i

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think they got a half a million viewers

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to tune in and listen to jeremy

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amazing uh accomplishment that he got to

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do that there's hope for us all

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and also uh tonight we'll have uh our

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back again uh cal korff who is the

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author of the truth about roswell

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among many other books a well-known

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researcher

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into many subjects including roswell i

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want to give as much time for our

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discussion uh tonight as possible

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so uh without any further ado let's

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our guests uh alien scientist is here

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how you doing jeremy

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hey man what was up with that intro uh

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oh why wait you don't like it come on

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mail audience much yeah maybe i'm gonna

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do one with mail strippers

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because the girls asked if you you know

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all right

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make it fair look i want to apologize to

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you in advance because

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just you just did like the biggest

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podcast on earth

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right and and now you're on my show

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slumming it

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i know all right sorry about that and

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let's bring in our other guests

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cow corp how you doing mr corp i'm doing

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fine steven how are you

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great great i just feel bad for jeremy

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because he was just on literally

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like the biggest podcast on earth the

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biggest stream show on earth right maybe

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except for rogan's right

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next to rogan definitely rogan's number

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one okay so the second

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youtube it's probably the biggest on

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youtube yeah it probably is the biggest

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so you know i feel bad for jeremy

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because he just was at the top of his

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right and now he's now he's i don't know

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think so it was beautiful i wanted to be

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like diplomatic about it like invite him

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on to a group of physicists and

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let him like really have it out with

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because he knew that stan friedman was a

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and not a fake one you know yeah it's

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so i don't even know where do we want to

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carrie the one you had on the other

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now you should no i'm not an expert i'm

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bringing the experts here

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greatest cases because there's just a

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and i'm the one who actually referred

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him to your show

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yeah yeah people don't know this but

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so thanks for that jeremy it's all his

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them were proposed by some of the

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smartest people who ever lived including

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physicist john von neumann um

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the show i'm tweeting out the show i saw

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his hands moving so i'm sorry for making

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ever lived arguably he used to be known

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the firing sequence that made the atomic

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in the in their uh field for as far as

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possibilities for you know future

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balloons that can put themselves back

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manhattan project involved over 400 000

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secrets very well from them

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after evidence and you know and also

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science and what's possible in the

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future as far as aliens go

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balloon there was no

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alien materials but what about all the

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witnesses that talk about these strange

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materials when they know the difference

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to three things conduct original

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research original research is original

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incomplete by others

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or look at existing issues try to

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understand them add further insight

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do what i can to help and move on and i

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i'm one of only three left alive and

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all of them except the one that just

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believed that roswell was mobile the

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evidence for it has always existed

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kevin randle's book not mine it's the

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roswell ufo crash what they don't want

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you to know this is it here yeah i'm

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there's so many books i apologize

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sure i'm just letting people know this

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this is this was written for one reason

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and i said what are you doing for the

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50th anniversary of roswell i'm just

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because i had heard that carl flock was

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writing a book but he made the

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ridiculous conclusion

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that the ufo slammed into mogul and they

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both came down

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the reason he made that conclusion and

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prometheus rightly rejected that book

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is because he was trying to square the

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lying accounts by hoaxers like glenn

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dennis and frank kaufman

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he didn't believe kaufman randall did

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he wanted to believe he was credible and

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he ended up being a hoaxer

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so uh when i heard what was going on

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that every single publisher

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was going to say it was all true and

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i was there and we knew that

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it was going to be the best seller and

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we knew what he was going to say because

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he was making calls to everybody

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asking about roswell because he was

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trying to make up and fit his story

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together he knew he was dying going to

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leave some money for his family et

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cetera

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okay so all this goes down and

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what happened and this is a matter of

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record that nobody can deny

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unless they're a denier and the public

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needs to know that

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i am the person that stanton friedman

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counted on and bill moore counted on to

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be the go-to

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guy regarding roswell on a handful of

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cases

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and i have the original photos of the

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debris that major jesse marcel signed

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off on

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and said this is what was found now

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my book proves that when you look at the

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original eyewitnesses from 1947 i'm not

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talking about the hoaxers later

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i'm talking about the original

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eyewitnesses and

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it's all in the book i've got a chart

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here to share with you

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you can see that the testimonies are

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very consistent

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for a balloon bessie brazil said

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it looked like a balloon that had burst

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that is a quote

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she remembers putting her wrist through

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a

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testimonies published

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in the original roswell incident book by

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bill moore

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um it says very clearly they never saw

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anything because tires were too

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expensive they didn't want to drive all

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the way down there

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and nothing was described that made them

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excited

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um so when you break down all the

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testimonies

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uh you see that the that you have

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basically jesse marcel and stanton

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friedman in there

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basically cooking the books a bit you

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look at people who handled the roswell

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debris

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warrant officer irving newton he met

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with professor charles moore years later

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in a discovery channel

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special he said point blank this is the

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material that was in the office

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moore still had some of it he said yeah

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that's it you've solved it

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okay so when you you have to separate

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the so-called new roswell eyewitnesses

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which

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are bandwagon jumpers promoted by people

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who jumped on the case

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years later these are people like kevin

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randall don schmidt they're not the

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original researchers

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versus people who did the original work

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and because i saw those photos

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in a press event with bill moore which

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is a matter of public record and i've

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never put that article on the internet

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it's on the new expose on roswell the

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update

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case closed i've got the photos you can

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date them our fingerprints are all on it

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case closed but what about the debris

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switch and we have dubose

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and marcel both claiming that that the

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pictures the famous pictures of the

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debris

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is not what they collected at the ranch

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is not what they

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no in fact i have published

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in not only in my roswell book but in

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many articles every time i've written

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about this

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including in the new uh you know the

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annie jacobson book here

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i reprinted in there because there's a

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whole chapter on roswell what really

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happened

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i show him saying in three separate

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interviews he says

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there was no debris switch that's bull

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okay

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we talked about this is why this is why

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i have such difficulty because i have

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you who's

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yeah go ahead i actually agree i agree

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with cal i think the chapter in annie

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jacobson's book was

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absolutely wrong um in her assessment

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you know like that this was a

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she also said it was like a russian hoax

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and there was like uh joseph mengele

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yeah yeah and all these and then they

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were using harlequin baby bodies for the

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aliens and stuff um yeah i don't i don't

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i just think don't think that you

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mentioned a couple witnesses like frank

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kaufman and gerald anderson who came

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after and gerald anderson had tried to

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embellish this uh plains of saint

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augustine site which was a

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longer way away and and um yeah i agree

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those

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either

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but you've got to go back to

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foundationals it doesn't matter what the

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case is and i have limited my ufo

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investigations as my published record

407
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shows to binaries

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the meyer case it can't be half real

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you can't have 30 photos of a pleiadian

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beam chip and only photos five six and

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seven are real

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the rest on the slide roller fake

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physics doesn't work that way

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so um okay so they

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we looked into the um the photographers

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apparently they brought in some other

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photographers you mentioned these

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photographers um

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they didn't use the base photography the

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the photos that exist of roswell

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there's none actually that are in

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current existing record of the base

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from the base we don't have any photos

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in the field and that would be like

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typical of of like weather balloons like

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right they would go out to the field

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and like take pictures of these things

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where they crash and stuff there might

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especially one that was reported in the

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news to be

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you know a flying saucer the next day

432
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that that one really always gets me is

433
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why the meat why would they would

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why would they tell the media from our

435
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why would uh

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you know um why would they tell the

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media i forget the guy's name that told

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the media was that

439
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right yeah walter hot yeah he's the guy

440
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that from the roswell

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air force that told the media um that

442
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there was a a flying saucer

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you know that's that's part that has

444
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always interested me is

445
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where'd the mix-up occurred with the

446
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flying saucer and the weather balloon

447
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and why the first

448
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you know intelligence officer who went

449
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out there to the base you know

450
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okay later said those things about that

451
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debris and also that memory foil you

452
00:16:49,590 --> 00:16:48,160
know that

453
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that's and why would they bring in

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external photographers when the base had

455
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plenty of their own photographs

456
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why would they use outside photographers

457
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because that would explain why it would

458
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all be on that one reel

459
00:17:01,189 --> 00:16:59,519
he said like oh why wouldn't you know

460
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they could have just used a bunch of

461
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other photographers and kept the reels

462
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separate and kept it separate it's

463
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called compartmentalization i mean

464
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you're just not using your imagination

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i understand all right there are several

466
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questions in there including some from

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you stephen let me go through this uh a

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little

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systematically if i can and again

470
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foundationals are everything

471
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without foundations it doesn't matter

472
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what's built on top of it

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now well let me ask you and i'm just

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curious but

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have you read this book yes or no

476
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i i have but years ago i don't think

477
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i've read your book uh i would love to

478
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read it i just uh i don't

479
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really you know i'll be happy to have a

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copy said the reason i'm asking is

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because

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based on what you're saying and and this

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is not absolutely not a criticism in

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fact

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i want everyone watching this to know

486
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that i know nothing about you

487
00:17:50,470 --> 00:17:48,559
i've read some of your posts i'm happy

488
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to meet you finally put a face with a

489
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an alias name alien scientist and this

490
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is a cold turkey thing

491
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i i have no preparation here i've got a

492
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few things to show people yeah really

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exist

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but okay you know so i know one of the

495
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big things in your book was uh

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sheridan cavett and you focused a lot on

497
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sheridan cabot and newton as you're like

498
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those are your two prime no they're not

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primary

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now i want to lay out my case because

501
00:18:17,510 --> 00:18:15,120
you haven't look okay real quickly

502
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again there were only a handful of

503
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original roswell witnesses they're all

504
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in the original book you've got only a

505
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few you've got

506
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razzle you've got brazil jr who wasn't

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there by the way he

508
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lied okay you've got the daughter she

509
00:18:32,630 --> 00:18:31,760
was there helped collect some of the

510
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debris

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the proctors were never there never

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witnesses they were very clear about

513
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that but they do remember the phone call

514
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okay now then you've got major jesse

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marcel

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told him it was

517
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but they never told him what it really

518
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was meaning

519
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the material on mogul was not classified

520
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but its purpose

521
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was classified wasn't classified as the

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manhattan project of world war

523
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ii it was not declassified as a matter

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of bureaucratic

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we don't care and one of the things that

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became clear

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after friedman began to chase gerald

528
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anderson

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and tie in these other stories of the

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plains of san agustin and

531
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roswell took a wrong turn that's when

532
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bill moore started to get out of it and

533
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he endorsed

534
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my conclusion was mobile and the reason

535
00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:22,480
i found out about it

536
00:19:26,710 --> 00:19:24,960
is because of doing everything from

537
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working at kmi

538
00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:29,360
bob lazar did not and also lawrence

539
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livermore lab

540
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and finding out that sometimes absence

541
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of evidence is evidence of absence

542
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the biggest problem with the so-called

543
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cosmic watergate and it

544
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involves roswell and everything else the

545
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:42,400
disclosure guys claim

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is that mossad spends time on ufos

547
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and makes no logical sense if any of

548
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this is true

549
00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:52,960
so marcel never said until he looked at

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the debris photos that's when he started

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to change his story and that's when i

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took them to friedman and said

553
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houston we have a problem how do you how

554
00:20:05,430 --> 00:20:03,120
do you know that mossad doesn't

555
00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:05,440
you know investigate ufos because like

556
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:07,039
we don't really no one really knows that

557
00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:08,480
what massage investigates so we didn't

558
00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:09,760
know that they were like

559
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:11,440
you know using jeffrey epstein as an

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agent to gain intelligence

561
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you know we knew that we knew that in

562
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fact i knew about it because when i did

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counter intelligence work over

564
00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:21,679
in europe for years i worked with

565
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:23,840
israelis and part of my training

566
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:26,480
was not only that but um gillane's

567
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:27,120
father

568
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:29,520
he laundered money for mossad that's

569
00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:31,200
matter of record now

570
00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:34,080
in fact rumors he was he was killed

571
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:36,080
instead of uh accident on the boat

572
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:38,480
so i'm saying in fairness though like we

573
00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:39,360
didn't

574
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:42,559
the u.s government claimed i remember

575
00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:44,960
obama famously claimed that there was no

576
00:20:47,669 --> 00:20:45,600
program

577
00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:47,679
investigating ufos years later we find

578
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:48,880
out yes there is

579
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:50,320
could they have a program and it would

580
00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:52,080
just be a higher level of classification

581
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:54,400
than you could be exposed to

582
00:20:58,710 --> 00:20:56,480
let's assume raws will happen in 47.

583
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:58,720
let's assume it happened as even randall

584
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:59,600
claims okay

585
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:01,039
let's say it all happened i'm wrong i

586
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:02,720
don't care um

587
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:04,400
what matters is the truth and we're all

588
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:06,000
after it okay

589
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:09,280
how could the jews not be involved in

590
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:11,360
that when jewish scientists

591
00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:14,080
dominated and still dominate key areas

592
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:15,520
of science

593
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:17,360
the point is you know daniel schachtman

594
00:21:21,029 --> 00:21:18,640
is right

595
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:21,039
who daniel sheckman won the nobel prize

596
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:23,039
for quasi crystals he did his postdoc at

597
00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:24,480
wright patterson which i thought was

598
00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:25,360
interesting

599
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:26,799
okay but that doesn't mean it's

600
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:28,400
connected to roswell and

601
00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:30,400
what i'm saying is is that there's all

602
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:31,760
kinds of you know

603
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:34,559
no it doesn't no what i'm saying no if

604
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:35,840
there was a secret project with

605
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:37,760
scientists to leak the material out you

606
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:38,080
know

607
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:39,840
it would have allegedly the material

608
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:41,280
went to wright patterson and was stored

609
00:21:44,549 --> 00:21:43,120
at a facility underground there that's

610
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:44,559
like where very

611
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:46,720
very goldwater went after it right not

612
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:47,840
exist we know that

613
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:51,200
admiral right not exist officially no we

614
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:53,039
we know that admiral turkovsky

615
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:54,880
looked at the material and he said quote

616
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:56,480
this sure looks like the stuff you're

617
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:57,280
flying

618
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:59,600
because they sent it to him that's the

619
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:01,440
right pat you're talking about

620
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:04,480
he said and told people yes this looks

621
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:06,000
like the stuff you're flying he was on

622
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:06,799
the phone

623
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:09,039
with more and said this is it it's

624
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,640
mobile then they came up with a weather

625
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:12,480
balloon story which was a cover story

626
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:14,159
the reason the base photographer didn't

627
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:16,640
photograph it is because the media was

628
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:17,200
alerted

629
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:19,440
and the ap photographer johnson went

630
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:21,280
there okay and he took the photos

631
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,360
even helped position the wreckage what's

632
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:25,280
important is that none of them described

633
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:28,000
any exotic materials those claims are

634
00:22:32,830 --> 00:22:30,480
limited to jesse marcel

635
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:32,840
after he was starting to be nailed for

636
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:35,200
inconsistencies

637
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:36,799
i mean was there any more than one there

638
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:38,159
was more than one witness to the

639
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:39,280
materials though

640
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:41,200
yeah right in the right in the air

641
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:43,039
forces roswell report if you go and

642
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:44,000
control f for

643
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:46,640
uh sally strickland tottellini she said

644
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:48,400
that what bill showed us was a piece of

645
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:49,360
what i still think

646
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:52,080
as fabric or something like aluminum

647
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:52,799
foil

648
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:56,080
something like satin something like well

649
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:58,159
tanned leather in its toughness yet it

650
00:23:00,950 --> 00:23:00,159
was not precisely like any of those

651
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:00,960
materials

652
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:03,840
it was okay other than her word that she

653
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:04,559
was

654
00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:06,720
a witness there's no evidence to support

655
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:09,039
her claim right

656
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:11,360
confiscated at all and threatened all

657
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:12,960
the witnesses and then they all spoke

658
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:14,400
out years later it's just as

659
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:16,720
plausible of a story they were

660
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:17,600
threatened

661
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:20,640
frankie frankie rowe

662
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:22,559
because her daughter is her father was

663
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:24,640
in the roswell fire department

664
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:26,240
they made runs outside roswell that

665
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:27,760
doesn't prove they were wrong anne dwyer

666
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:31,440
was a member of the fire department too

667
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:33,280
his daughter claims it beverly bean

668
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:35,440
claims her father was involved too and

669
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:36,080
he wasn't

670
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:38,720
melbourne sheriff wilcox's daughters you

671
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:39,120
know

672
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:41,200
reported there was a box full a shoe box

673
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:42,960
full of the material and and they said

674
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:43,600
it was

675
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:47,520
crumpled up like a ball and it would

676
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:48,960
unfold itself

677
00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:50,960
and those testimonies don't exist when

678
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:52,400
the originals were talked to

679
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:55,120
we again friedman moore tried to find

680
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:56,320
everybody

681
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:58,320
and isn't it possible if people were

682
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:59,600
threatened that they kept their mouth

683
00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:01,760
shut for a while about it and later told

684
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:02,720
their story

685
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:04,080
yeah they're so threatened that they

686
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:06,640
issued a press release to talk about it

687
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:08,799
no the claims of threats have to have

688
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:09,919
evidence like

689
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:12,240
that would have come after i mean they

690
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:12,960
you don't

691
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:14,799
that was before like the higher up so

692
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:15,760
they said it went up the chain of

693
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:18,080
command it went from you know blanchard

694
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:20,240
uh over to uh general raymie at fort

695
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:21,600
worth and then from there

696
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:24,640
to uh to wright patterson you know like

697
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:26,559
i went right up the chain of command

698
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:28,559
okay let me ask you this

699
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:30,480
have you read major jesse marcel's

700
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:32,480
military file yes or no

701
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:34,320
i mean i yeah i know your attempts to

702
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:36,159
discredit marcel as a witness that's

703
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:38,640
the best that's all you have left on the

704
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:39,360
case

705
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:41,039
wrong you were mischaracterizing what

706
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:42,960
i'm saying i know how i feel and think

707
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:45,840
no one speaks for me i do it myself i

708
00:24:51,029 --> 00:24:48,480
was the first person to publish his file

709
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:51,039
because what was in there needed to be

710
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:52,080
made public

711
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:53,919
i'll summarize it briefly you can't

712
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:55,279
argue with it it is a

713
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:58,320
fact it says in there that he was not a

714
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:59,279
pilot

715
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:01,440
in fact general raymie felt sorry for

716
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:02,640
him he was written

717
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:04,799
up for exaggerating events right after

718
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:05,840
roswell it's in

719
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:08,000
the report the assistant-based commander

720
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:09,600
better way to later discredit him if

721
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:11,120
there if it was a real event they could

722
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:11,919
have just

723
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:14,400
didn't discredit him they said this

724
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:16,400
person has a tendency to magnify

725
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:18,400
problems he's confronted with and that

726
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:20,320
one day he'll make a fine officer but he

727
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:21,679
needs some work

728
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:23,600
for example he's not a rated pilot

729
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:25,200
that's a tough

730
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:28,080
handicap to have when you're full of top

731
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:28,960
gun pilots they're

732
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:31,279
the only nuclear air base at the time

733
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:32,000
now

734
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,320
what happened was marcel lied and said

735
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:36,480
he had a bachelor's degree in physics

736
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:38,240
i asked freeman why didn't you talk to

737
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:40,080
him about that because you love physics

738
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:43,440
why didn't you guys share atomic stories

739
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:45,360
well friedman dodged the issue because

740
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:47,279
he never had a bachelor's degree in

741
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:48,000
physics

742
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:50,080
now why would someone lie about claiming

743
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:51,679
they have a bachelor's degree in physics

744
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:53,520
even name the university and turns out

745
00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:54,640
it's not true

746
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,400
he said he resigned from the uh

747
00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:00,640
military because of all the career

748
00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:02,720
opportunities in dc in fact he said that

749
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:04,400
he had written the announcement on the

750
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:06,240
radio about the russians blowing off a

751
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:06,960
nuke

752
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:09,679
no he didn't truman read a radio report

753
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:11,520
press report secondly

754
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:13,360
marcel left because of a hardship

755
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:14,960
discharge it says in his file

756
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:16,640
his mother was not doing well and he

757
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:18,080
needed to take care of her

758
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:19,679
so as i noted in my book there's no

759
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:21,440
shame in that but why

760
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:24,720
make something up and then he says he

761
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:27,120
was the only survivor being shot down in

762
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:28,000
the pacific

763
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:30,400
that isn't true he was never shot down

764
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:31,279
he was never an

765
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:33,440
ace he never got five air medals he got

766
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:34,960
three because he happened to get on a

767
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:36,000
flight

768
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,960
that uh had saw some action overseas he

769
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,559
was a cartographer

770
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:42,480
uh there were other claims he made that

771
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:43,840
weren't true even his son

772
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:46,880
said to me my father did have a tendency

773
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:48,159
to exaggerate on

774
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:51,360
occasion quote unquote so these are all

775
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:53,600
in his military files they felt bad for

776
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:54,159
him

777
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:56,640
that he got it wrong and got hyped over

778
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:57,360
it and

779
00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:00,080
talked to walter hot and even uh marcel

780
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:02,240
said we had an eager beaver pr officer

781
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:04,720
named hot and without authorization

782
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:06,480
he released that and then he got a

783
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:07,919
blistering rebuke

784
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:09,360
because the press started calling the

785
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:10,960
pentagon in dc saying hey what about

786
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:12,159
this flying disc

787
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:15,200
and um then they found out that he spoke

788
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:16,559
without permission and then

789
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:18,080
they admitted they have it fly the

790
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:19,679
wreckage and showed it

791
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:23,039
um again this is all in there i

792
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:24,720
i'm the first one who got his file along

793
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:26,399
with bob todd it's all published

794
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:29,039
many pages of it if his file said

795
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:30,640
anything to support what he said

796
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:32,159
i would have published that but it did

797
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:34,960
not and you can't ignore that

798
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:36,480
you can't say you have a degree in

799
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:38,720
physics when you don't and you make up a

800
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:40,399
university you never went to that's jim

801
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:41,679
delatoso stuff

802
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:43,279
he doesn't have a phd from mcgill

803
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:44,960
university either but he lied and said

804
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:46,640
he did

805
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:48,720
it's just i just was interested that the

806
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:50,320
roswell report um

807
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,000
kind of uses newton and uh also sheridan

808
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:56,880
um cavett as the two main witnesses to

809
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:58,080
discredit lazar

810
00:28:02,149 --> 00:28:00,000
as well as a witness and and they used

811
00:28:03,029 --> 00:28:02,159
some personal testimony about him as a

812
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:03,039
character

813
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:05,440
and uh to kind of discredit his his

814
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:06,159
character

815
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:08,480
but this it wasn't just newton um the

816
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:10,799
other cic officer i guess that went out

817
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:11,600
there with him

818
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:15,440
um was a guy named uh bill uh

819
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,360
i got it written down here it's bill um

820
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,840
ricky with rickett right and bill lewis

821
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:23,520
ricketts said like you're not

822
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:25,039
something to the effect of that he said

823
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:27,200
this was a non-event that that cabot

824
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:29,120
told them both that this was a non-event

825
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:30,080
this did not happen

826
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:32,080
and you're not to talk about this and

827
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:34,000
then cavett kind of later changes his

828
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:36,480
his testimony about what that was in the

829
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:37,440
um

830
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:39,679
okay what he meant by that one could you

831
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:41,600
care to explain and unravel

832
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:44,799
unpack that for us no problem i lived in

833
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:45,520
washington

834
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:49,120
boeing at the time we spoke i

835
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:52,159
also appeared on msnbc all day 50th

836
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:54,480
anniversary roswell special where

837
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:57,039
we went through all this with uh captain

838
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:57,520
and

839
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:00,880
show

840
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:03,840
long story short is this kevin met with

841
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:05,600
several roswell researchers

842
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:08,159
they pissed him off as he said on the

843
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:08,960
record

844
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:12,880
they wanted to believe so badly so he

845
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:14,480
messed with them a little bit yeah you

846
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:16,000
right you put down whatever

847
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:17,279
so then what happened is when the air

848
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:19,840
force called him and went to see him

849
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:21,679
they're like well why don't we go on

850
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:23,600
record and and kind of straighten this

851
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:25,360
out because mcandrew said on the show

852
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:26,320
you can't call

853
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:29,120
a person a liar in a government report

854
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:30,960
and i was criticizing mcandrew

855
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:33,679
for not being blunt here he is saying

856
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:35,679
they're lying without using the l word

857
00:29:39,909 --> 00:29:37,600
and i just thought that was there's

858
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,919
enough readers out there who are gonna

859
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:41,520
use that as well he's not saying he's

860
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:43,520
lying even though it's obvious he was

861
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:45,919
so uh what happened is kavit said it

862
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:47,520
looked like somebody's balloon

863
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:49,440
wasn't a big deal he was pissed off they

864
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:50,799
wasted their time because it took a

865
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,159
while to get out there

866
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:54,720
rickett made up a lot of stuff he loved

867
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:56,480
a good fish story in fact he

868
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:59,120
made up stuff about investigating ufos

869
00:30:03,190 --> 00:29:59,679
with

870
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:03,200
dr uh alvarez luis alvarez who wasn't

871
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:05,120
involved in roswell either but he was

872
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:05,919
out trying to

873
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:08,399
find meteorites he had a ufo sighting

874
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:09,760
because there was a green

875
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:12,559
fireball phenomenon going on at the time

876
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:13,279
and they thought

877
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:15,360
maybe this might explain some of the

878
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:16,880
sightings it did explain some of the

879
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:18,960
sightings but the green fireballs were

880
00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:20,880
ultimately figured out to be

881
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:22,720
astronomical phenomenon

882
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,080
um you know not uh spaceships

883
00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:28,240
so those are those two witnesses again

884
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:30,399
this is all old material that was proven

885
00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:31,919
in the 90s

886
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:33,679
and it's been out there for years what

887
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:35,279
has happened is there's been

888
00:30:38,789 --> 00:30:37,520
a couple 20 years or so have gone by i

889
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:38,799
haven't been in the country i haven't

890
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:40,240
dealt with this stuff and

891
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:41,760
it's just like stanton friedman warned

892
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:43,440
me about as a kid and you may remember

893
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:44,880
these words he said

894
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:47,360
new ideas come into being not because

895
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:49,039
people accept them but because their

896
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,399
opponents die

897
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:52,159
and a new generation is born that is

898
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:53,600
accustomed to them and he's

899
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:56,080
paraphrasing the great max blank he said

900
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:57,679
cal this is going to happen with ufos

901
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:58,799
especially you know

902
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:00,320
he was looking forward to the day when

903
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:02,799
all the evil debunkers and skeptics died

904
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:05,840
so that this thing could turn their way

905
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:07,279
i was like watergate

906
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:09,679
101 you know and they all want that

907
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:11,039
they'd have a field day

908
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,720
right the other side wants it too you

909
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:14,159
know i had

910
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:15,840
conversations with phil class and he

911
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:17,360
told me point blank that

912
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,440
if he could find anything he would love

913
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:21,440
it because he works at aviation week

914
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:23,840
there are other ufo researchers uh you

915
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,159
know hardcore atheists where the idea

916
00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:28,320
of anything out there is just it's all

917
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:29,600
human humans the

918
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:30,960
pinnacle of whatever that that's

919
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:33,039
extremism the other way so

920
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:34,960
in my long-winded way what i'm saying is

921
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:37,120
is that all of the core foundational

922
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:38,159
stuff

923
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:39,919
where the people who are really there no

924
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:43,600
question 1947 not the people who said oh

925
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:45,919
now i'm saying i was there none of that

926
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:47,200
has held up and

927
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:49,360
we have those photos we were the first i

928
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:50,640
was the first

929
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:53,519
to to analyze the rainy memo from these

930
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:55,120
photos bill moore gave me

931
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:57,279
because they were made from the best the

932
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:58,799
original snakes

933
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:00,559
and that's why when others talk about

934
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:02,480
molecular properties getting down in

935
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:02,880
there

936
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:05,440
it's raw shocks it's not credible i'll

937
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:06,960
give these photos up to anybody to

938
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:08,559
enhance them they won't find any

939
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:10,240
secret hidden message there it's

940
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:11,760
complete [\h__\h] and

941
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:14,320
we dealt with this in the 80s and it's

942
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:16,159
it's frustrating to see people

943
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:17,760
yeah there's nothing actionable that can

944
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:19,279
be resolved from that

945
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:21,360
and it's it's it turns into a game of

946
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:22,799
cryptography where you're just trying to

947
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:24,559
crack a blurry message and to

948
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:26,720
mean we're seeing what you want to see

949
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:32,310
yeah so uh to me one of the big strikes

950
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:34,480
against roswell happening the way people

951
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:35,200
claim

952
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:38,080
okay is the fact that when i lived

953
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:39,919
overseas and was in

954
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:42,080
over two dozen different countries

955
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:44,080
talked to all kinds of people

956
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:45,840
who were in the cold war and everything

957
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:48,720
else a whole lot of stuff came out even

958
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,799
even information that the kgb is the one

959
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:52,480
that planted in france the rumors that

960
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:54,399
kennedy was killed by a conspiracy they

961
00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:55,840
planted them in communist controlled

962
00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:57,440
unions it gained traction through mark

963
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:57,919
wayne

964
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:59,440
ended up in the us and next thing you

965
00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:01,120
know it's the granddaddy of all

966
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:02,080
conspiracies

967
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,000
and jim garrison's investigating it

968
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:06,559
right exactly all that stuff so

969
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:09,279
um having been involved in this you know

970
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:12,399
since october 19 1973 when started all

971
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:12,880
this

972
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:15,519
having been mentored by friedman heineke

973
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:16,880
all these guys

974
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:19,679
um again i can only tell you what

975
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:21,919
happened and if if the foundationals

976
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:22,559
don't

977
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:26,240
hold up it literally doesn't matter

978
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:28,799
what someone says after the fact if

979
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:30,000
meyer never had a

980
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:32,000
one contact with samyazi it doesn't

981
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:39,269
even if that he got to meet stanton

982
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,880
friedman though man you were like

983
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:42,640
your picture with him at like 17 years

984
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:44,960
old yeah that's pretty cool you've been

985
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:47,120
you've been in this a long time yeah i

986
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:48,320
might have i was

987
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:51,440
a kid at 13. i started lecturing because

988
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:53,120
of him i saw him

989
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:55,120
i came back to my teacher all excited i

990
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:57,039
said wow a lecture i never knew as a kid

991
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:58,159
there was such a thing

992
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:59,840
and i said i know everything he's saying

993
00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:01,679
i could lecture he goes well go ahead

994
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:03,519
next thing i know i'm doing hundreds of

995
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:05,440
lectures thousands of them actually

996
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:07,519
um over the years okay if we take if we

997
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:09,839
take marcel's eyewitness testimony about

998
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:11,760
the debris away

999
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:13,520
there's still there's still an awful lot

1000
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:15,359
of people that claimed that these

1001
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:17,200
materials had all these strange

1002
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:19,040
properties we have the

1003
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:20,560
but but look at a lot of people on

1004
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:22,240
record i mean there's the guys sergeant

1005
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:23,280
leroy's wife

1006
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:25,440
uh apparently someone interviewed these

1007
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:26,800
uh someone went and like tracked a lot

1008
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:28,320
of these witnesses down because a lot of

1009
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:29,040
time

1010
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:30,800
period passed and and so like a lot of

1011
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:32,879
these guys died in like the 80s and 90s

1012
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:34,159
because they would have been 80 and 90

1013
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:35,200
years old

1014
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:38,000
yeah i want you to know i mean i've got

1015
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:40,879
tables on my other monitors here of

1016
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,720
you know the claim is there's hundreds

1017
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:44,320
of witnesses which is not true

1018
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:46,639
again look at the first 11 which are

1019
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:48,639
core everyone agrees these guys were

1020
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:49,119
there

1021
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:52,000
mac brazil touched the debris kite foil

1022
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:53,599
and rubber that is his published

1023
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:54,560
descriptions

1024
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:56,560
in what about the sergeants the three

1025
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:59,119
sergeants like

1026
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:00,720
apparently they brought just sergeants

1027
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:02,640
out they didn't bring like soldiers uh

1028
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:04,240
it was the fire department and a bunch

1029
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:05,920
of sergeants who were who they were the

1030
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:08,720
only ones who were brought out to um

1031
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:11,040
there was no fire department in fact the

1032
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:13,119
reason that the two cic agents came

1033
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:14,400
along is because blanchard

1034
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:16,960
told marcel as the senior intelligence

1035
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:19,440
officer i've got two cic agents assigned

1036
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:20,400
you take them with you

1037
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:22,160
go out and see what it is he was

1038
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:23,839
thinking it might be a military saying

1039
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:24,640
they didn't know

1040
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:26,240
because things were flying all over

1041
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,240
because there were these uh

1042
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:30,720
radar targets they were seen across the

1043
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:32,320
country there were rewards for them

1044
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:35,760
in fact mogul itself had a bright uh

1045
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,720
they offered 50

1046
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:38,800
reward as i recall if you found any

1047
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:40,400
piece of it and had a tag on it you had

1048
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:41,520
to turn in the tag

1049
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:43,520
to prove it was really from them because

1050
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:45,520
they wanted some of the instruments back

1051
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:48,079
what about marcel jr and his description

1052
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:50,079
of what may be hieroglyphics i mean

1053
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:52,320
there's not hieroglyphics written on uh

1054
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:54,800
on on mobile balloons is there i'll get

1055
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:55,680
to that a second

1056
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:58,160
mac brazil touch debris kite foil rubber

1057
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:59,280
his own words

1058
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:01,280
when he said he found it in mid-june

1059
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:03,200
that fits a mogul launch window

1060
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:05,599
july 4th was a made-up date by the way

1061
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:07,839
uh they're patriotic those aliens

1062
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:10,560
uh bessie brazil touched the debris says

1063
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:12,320
a balloon which had burst quote unquote

1064
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:14,240
major jessie marcel touched the debris

1065
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:16,400
said it was indestructible

1066
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:18,960
okay well there's one claim that stands

1067
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:20,960
different from the other originals so

1068
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:21,760
far

1069
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:24,560
jesse marcel jr touched the debris he

1070
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:26,480
said when he looked at the photos that

1071
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:28,000
this looks like the stuff that was on

1072
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:29,680
the floor he also said

1073
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:31,040
there was nothing in there that was

1074
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,359
indestructible that couldn't be bent

1075
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:35,280
with a 16-pound sledgehammer he never

1076
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:36,560
gave that description

1077
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:38,800
in fact major as i my book proves major

1078
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:40,160
jesse marcel senior

1079
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:42,160
or you know his father said that there

1080
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:43,839
were square sticks

1081
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:47,040
that the foil was uh attached to

1082
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:49,760
uh square sticks are in mobile jesse

1083
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:52,240
marcel jr when he was confronted

1084
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:54,880
with that fact about mobile and shown

1085
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:55,839
the engineering

1086
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:58,000
blueprints for the first time in the 90s

1087
00:37:01,990 --> 00:36:59,200
he said oh uh

1088
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:02,000
there were i-beams and he was exposed

1089
00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:03,680
for changing his story

1090
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:05,920
in fact he even changed the design of

1091
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:08,400
the hieroglyphs he claims he saw once he

1092
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:09,680
saw the tape

1093
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:12,000
from the toy factory that was used with

1094
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,240
those pink symbols on it they were pink

1095
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:16,400
that were random as part of tape they

1096
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:18,079
used cheap materials

1097
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:19,599
again he changed the story there are

1098
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:21,440
published articles exposing it it's in

1099
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:22,720
my book

1100
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:26,320
and major jesse marcel again

1101
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:28,880
jr admitted his father had a tendency to

1102
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:30,560
exaggerate on occasion

1103
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:34,240
he was asked me and one other person

1104
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:36,960
what he could do to try to help save his

1105
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:39,040
father's reputation

1106
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:40,960
the answer was the record's out his

1107
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:42,480
military files released

1108
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:44,720
that's it no more that nothing else

1109
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:45,599
needs to be said

1110
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,000
take it or leave it it's here folks and

1111
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:50,400
anybody could have gotten in file

1112
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:53,280
if they bothered sergeant leroy wallace

1113
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:53,839
and

1114
00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:59,520
later afterward

1115
00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:01,520
his wife said that he reported coming

1116
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:03,839
back from the scene and scrubbing his uh

1117
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:04,480
hands with

1118
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:07,599
lye soap for 10 days straight exclaiming

1119
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:08,880
that he shouldn't have never touched

1120
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:10,560
this material that something was on it

1121
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:12,160
with that gun on his hands he felt like

1122
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:14,400
he shouldn't have handled it

1123
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:16,640
well we knew that whatever was recovered

1124
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:18,960
was handled by plenty of people and they

1125
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:21,680
lived a normal life and died naturally

1126
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:22,480
uh

1127
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:24,079
jared and cavett touched it louis

1128
00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:25,920
rickett touched it james bond johnson

1129
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,520
touched it irving newton

1130
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:29,280
touched it he's in the photos professor

1131
00:38:32,069 --> 00:38:31,040
charles moore well we don't know that

1132
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:32,079
irving newton touched

1133
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,280
it because irving newton was just

1134
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:35,200
brought into the ra he was just brought

1135
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,640
into the press office to the weather

1136
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:38,400
balloon that was in raymie's office i

1137
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:39,839
mean they could have done the material

1138
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:41,040
switch beforehand

1139
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:43,680
now we do know sheridan cavett said he

1140
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:44,880
personally

1141
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,800
went up to the plane yeah that's

1142
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:48,640
sheridan cavett but newton was newton's

1143
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:50,000
at right field because the stuff was

1144
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,560
flown from roswell to right field

1145
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:54,800
and then at right field is where i mean

1146
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:56,079
not right field sorry

1147
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:58,800
at um fort worth texas he's the base

1148
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:01,119
weather officer so raymie calls him up

1149
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:02,640
and says get your ass down here quote

1150
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:03,440
unquote

1151
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:05,599
comment commandeer a car in my name if

1152
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:07,280
you have to quote unquote

1153
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:09,359
he did he came there and he said this

1154
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:11,680
just came off the plane from roswell

1155
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,800
from uh kavit marcel what is it he

1156
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:16,400
identifies a cold turkey

1157
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:18,000
he poses with it there was another

1158
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:20,079
that's not true no it isn't that's in

1159
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:21,040
the report

1160
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:23,760
according to who what are you saying

1161
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:26,240
isn't true that he wasn't there

1162
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:28,320
no he newton went into the they had

1163
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:30,160
already had this weather balloon set up

1164
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:31,680
he brought in they brought newton into

1165
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:33,200
the press saw irving newton went into

1166
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:34,480
the press

1167
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:37,040
at fort worth where raymie already had

1168
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:38,560
this weather balloon all set up

1169
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:40,240
he didn't take the material off the

1170
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:42,240
plane and

1171
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:44,400
i said cavett took it cavett took it

1172
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:46,560
distilled envelope his own words

1173
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:48,720
three separate interviews affidavits he

1174
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:50,480
took the material

1175
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:53,520
sealed in the envelope from marcel he's

1176
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:53,920
also

1177
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:57,280
the guy that you know um accused of

1178
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:59,119
being like leading the cover-up and like

1179
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:00,960
participating in the cover-up

1180
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:03,520
that's true yeah mr friedman told me

1181
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:05,359
personally that that guy was the

1182
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:07,359
was that that guy's no good you know

1183
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:09,119
yeah that guy was that guy was

1184
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:12,319
part of the cover-up if we were to

1185
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:13,839
believe that there was a cover

1186
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:15,839
it's either i believe i believe these

1187
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:17,520
two guys irving newton and sheridan

1188
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:18,720
cavador i believe all these other

1189
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:20,480
witnesses either like one of the two are

1190
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:21,440
lying

1191
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:23,440
you know what i mean that's kind of way

1192
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,880
i look at i'm like and i believe

1193
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:26,400
i have a lot more reason to believe all

1194
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:28,160
these townspeople who didn't speak

1195
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:29,760
for 30 years because of you know they

1196
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:31,359
were told about it

1197
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:33,119
okay there's some confusion here

1198
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:34,560
gentlemen all of us

1199
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:37,280
have misspoke you have confused cavett

1200
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:38,800
with dubose

1201
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:42,000
colonel dubose colonel dubose

1202
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:45,119
took the envelope from marcel from the

1203
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:46,160
b-29

1204
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:50,319
escort he was the adjutant to raymie he

1205
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:52,720
was both dubois said they have a video

1206
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:54,560
of dubose saying it was a there was a

1207
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:01,430
says in three separate interviews even

1208
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:02,400
with randall

1209
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:05,680
oh bold that debris was never switched

1210
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:08,000
we spoke to him as well because jamie

1211
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:09,119
shandera

1212
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:11,520
is the one who started to realize

1213
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:12,960
there's a problem here

1214
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:15,280
with what marcel is saying versus these

1215
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:16,079
other people

1216
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:18,800
so here's what happened and there's

1217
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:20,319
other people who know about this maybe

1218
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:21,760
even randall does

1219
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:25,040
vivian marcel his wife

1220
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:27,920
was asked about this she said there was

1221
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:30,000
no exotic anything and friedman would

1222
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:30,319
not

1223
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:32,319
include her testimony i ringed him a new

1224
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:33,760
what over that

1225
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:37,680
issue not only that um

1226
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:41,040
on the lack of a debris switch

1227
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:44,160
newton was called in to identify it

1228
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:44,720
because

1229
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:46,480
he said the press is here let me call

1230
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:48,800
the weather guy see what he says

1231
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:50,560
cold turkey they call them commandeer a

1232
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:51,920
car in my name

1233
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:53,839
he left the tower came to raymie's

1234
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:55,040
office posed

1235
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:56,720
for photos with the other photographer

1236
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:58,560
as well they're all in the photos

1237
00:42:02,790 --> 00:41:59,599
together

1238
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:02,800
um so again if you go back to the

1239
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:04,079
original stuff

1240
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:06,800
before they started to retrofit it well

1241
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:07,200
uh

1242
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:09,119
that's the less exotic stuff that was in

1243
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:11,040
the photos oh now you say that

1244
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:12,400
because we're pointing out that it

1245
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:15,040
matches mogul see this is where the fish

1246
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:16,560
got bigger

1247
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:18,880
and again you have evidence independent

1248
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:19,760
of roswell

1249
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:21,599
it he got written up for it it's in his

1250
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:22,800
military file

1251
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:25,680
this officer has a tendency to magnify

1252
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:27,440
problems he's confronted with

1253
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:28,880
that was written by colonel payne

1254
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:31,520
jennings the assistant base commander

1255
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:34,560
right after roswell that was not

1256
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:37,920
a coincidence so this all has to be

1257
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:39,119
accounted for

1258
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:40,960
but cal all these other towns people

1259
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:42,800
like it's not like they all made a bunch

1260
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:44,880
of money off of making up a story about

1261
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:46,000
this debris

1262
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:47,599
and there's so many different witnesses

1263
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:49,359
that that testified that this was some

1264
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:51,200
kind of exotic material

1265
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:53,680
and plus these intelligence officers

1266
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:55,359
would know a balloon that's the big

1267
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:56,720
problem that i've always had they would

1268
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:58,319
know what a weather balloon is

1269
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:00,560
versus the highest rank the highest

1270
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:02,480
ranking guy to ever come forward

1271
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:05,200
as a witness it was uh i believe general

1272
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:06,400
arthur exxon

1273
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:08,960
and he was the right material science

1274
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:10,720
guy like at wright patterson air force

1275
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:12,240
base that would have received this stuff

1276
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:15,200
okay again it's exposed in this book

1277
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:16,880
exxon admits

1278
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:19,119
that randall put words in his mouth and

1279
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:20,640
he says you give me

1280
00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:22,319
more credit for involvement than i

1281
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:23,920
really was he admits

1282
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:26,240
all i did was hear stories i know

1283
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:27,599
nothing firsthand

1284
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:29,839
but you'd never know that if you read

1285
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:31,119
every roswell book

1286
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:33,200
except the ones that published the full

1287
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:35,200
story because again

1288
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:38,240
if the originals don't work it doesn't

1289
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:40,800
matter afterwards so how do you square

1290
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:41,440
them

1291
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:44,480
okay you have to say well they both

1292
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:45,599
can't be right

1293
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:47,760
so how do you explain something later

1294
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:48,960
with no proof

1295
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:52,079
it has no proof exxon said

1296
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:54,800
you gave me more involvement than i

1297
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:55,839
really was

1298
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:57,760
his exact words are published in this

1299
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,240
book in his letter to randall saying

1300
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:02,480
good book but hey you you gave me more

1301
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:03,280
whatever then i

1302
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:05,760
i just heard stories that was it okay

1303
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:06,640
that's different

1304
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:09,680
than saying he was he did no

1305
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:12,560
he said he just heard stories that's all

1306
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:13,760
and we do know

1307
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:16,560
because again this became u.s official

1308
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:17,280
policy

1309
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:20,000
after during the cold war in the late

1310
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:22,000
40s ufos were then used

1311
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:24,720
as a deliberate disinformation campaign

1312
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:26,079
by the government

1313
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:30,240
and i did a special back in late 1990s

1314
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:32,720
with discovery called secrets of area 51

1315
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,400
revealed where we talked about

1316
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:36,560
how this was done how the sr-71

1317
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:37,520
blackbird

1318
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:40,720
was deliberately flown uh across

1319
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:43,280
pilots to cause ufo sightings it was

1320
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:44,400
painted silver

1321
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:47,440
so they saw a streaking disk go by

1322
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,680
mach 5 so of course it remained

1323
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:51,359
unexplained it's contaminated the blue

1324
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:52,240
book files

1325
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:55,119
they were secret flights to cover the ci

1326
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:56,560
did not tell the air force at that time

1327
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:58,160
that that plane existed

1328
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:00,880
i believe the tic tacs today are a

1329
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:03,040
hodgepodge of events i believe we do

1330
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:04,240
have some really

1331
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:07,599
gnarly ass high-powered drones and i do

1332
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:08,400
believe this

1333
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,160
the incident cannot be taken at face

1334
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:12,480
value because it's got serious problems

1335
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:14,319
and that this is something the us

1336
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:16,400
government is doing and this ufo task

1337
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:17,040
force

1338
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:20,000
is really a task farce and how

1339
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:21,760
convenient the navy should be in charge

1340
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:22,160
of it

1341
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:24,640
since when are ufos a water problem

1342
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:25,520
they're a space

1343
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:27,839
problem the air force won the territory

1344
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,200
wars years ago

1345
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:31,440
so why is the navy in there it's because

1346
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:33,440
they've got some underwater toys

1347
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:35,280
and we've got vehicles that can go in

1348
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:36,880
the air and underwater too

1349
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:38,800
so do our enemies by the way i found

1350
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:40,160
evidence of that

1351
00:45:44,829 --> 00:45:42,560
when india was trying to join aegis when

1352
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:44,839
i was working there doing defense

1353
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:47,200
reporting

1354
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:49,520
well we could go to the the stories of

1355
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:51,440
the alien bodies then and all these

1356
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:53,119
people who claim that they saw alien

1357
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:53,920
bodies or

1358
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:57,040
took part in you know knowing that

1359
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:59,359
those people are all lying too no

1360
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:01,280
stephen nobody saw any bodies the

1361
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:02,000
originals

1362
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:03,680
that happened later even in the roswell

1363
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:05,280
incident book the reason i showed that

1364
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:06,880
diagram of the hand

1365
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:09,359
on the last show was because that was

1366
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:11,119
taken from len stringfield's work len

1367
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:12,720
stringfeld was working with marcel

1368
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:16,000
as well we were as well by the way and

1369
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:17,520
again i told you and i showed you that

1370
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:19,440
graphic it's all in the new book

1371
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:22,079
by using anatomical experts we talked to

1372
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:24,319
all these witnesses the crash retrieval

1373
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:27,599
you know cases and

1374
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:30,800
we could tell by the anatomy uh problems

1375
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:32,720
that they were not telling the truth but

1376
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:33,839
you have instead

1377
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:35,920
the mortician ordered those coffins and

1378
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:37,599
stuff and then they then they said like

1379
00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:39,440
that all the ice was missing from town

1380
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:43,589
all the ice the army came in and bought

1381
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:45,119
out all the ice in the town

1382
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:46,560
well he said that but he wasn't a

1383
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:48,640
mortician he was an embalmer there's a

1384
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:50,160
big difference nobody who's truthful

1385
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:51,359
would

1386
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:53,440
make another claim secondly stephen you

1387
00:46:56,069 --> 00:46:54,800
mentioned a good point these people

1388
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,079
aren't making all this money

1389
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:58,800
that's not true as i showed in the book

1390
00:47:01,589 --> 00:47:00,079
and you may remember this

1391
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:01,599
i checked with the roswell mayor's

1392
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:03,440
office on the 50th anniversary even the

1393
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:04,720
press said they're absolutely

1394
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:07,200
giddy because 22 percent of the city's

1395
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:08,960
revenue comes from hyping roswell

1396
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:11,119
they had five crash sites at the time

1397
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,079
okay

1398
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:14,319
and uh like cube corn that's complete

1399
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:15,200
nonsense

1400
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:17,200
so the foster ranch has been sold again

1401
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:18,400
who knows what's gonna happen to it

1402
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:19,680
apparently the new owner

1403
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:21,359
based on what i heard doesn't care about

1404
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:22,960
it the roswell stuff

1405
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:25,599
but the city loves roswell because they

1406
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:26,480
for sure

1407
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:28,640
or make the city is making yeah right

1408
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:29,520
now

1409
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:31,520
individual witnesses the individual

1410
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:33,520
witnesses who told their stories

1411
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:36,160
no didn't appear to make money no frank

1412
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:37,920
kaufman made a lot of money in fact he

1413
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:38,559
became

1414
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,720
world famous because of randall and he

1415
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:42,480
was the president of the roswell chamber

1416
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:43,440
of commerce

1417
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:46,559
lucky sucker what boy he's blessed and

1418
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:49,599
his good buddy was glenn dennis

1419
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:52,160
so there you go what a small world wow

1420
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:52,880
they all happen

1421
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:54,240
i mean just because there are

1422
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:56,000
opportunists and then there's evidence

1423
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:56,640
of

1424
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:58,240
certain witnesses that lied i don't i

1425
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,680
don't think that means we can just

1426
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:01,440
throw the entire baby out with the bath

1427
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:02,720
water i like to

1428
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:04,800
i like to still use my imagination and

1429
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:06,480
say like oh what if you know what what

1430
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:07,920
would it be what would it could it have

1431
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:09,839
been like those von neumann probes

1432
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:11,440
was it you know maybe it wasn't all

1433
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:13,280
these alien stories were a cover-up just

1434
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:13,760
to like

1435
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:15,520
cover up what it really wasn't like it

1436
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:18,480
was just like one of these space probes

1437
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:21,599
explained i'm sorry when bill moore the

1438
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:22,079
original

1439
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:24,400
author of the roswell incident says it's

1440
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:26,160
meets with me and says you're right

1441
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:28,559
well what about the twin shogun memo i

1442
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:30,400
mean that there was an air force demo

1443
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:33,119
exposed as a hoax look it up a bob todd

1444
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:35,599
exposed it he found the original it's a

1445
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:38,079
copy and paste job nobody there's also a

1446
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:40,559
there's also an fbi memo though right

1447
00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:42,640
that talks about the recovered flying

1448
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:43,599
disk yeah it

1449
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:45,920
talks about the gov the army recovered

1450
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:47,440
flying disk and they will not give us

1451
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,720
access to it

1452
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:50,640
yeah that doesn't makes that doesn't

1453
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:53,440
there were two fbi memos okay one was a

1454
00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:56,160
paraphrasing of a original press report

1455
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:57,680
which was inaccurate

1456
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:59,760
and you look in that memo and it says

1457
00:49:01,990 --> 00:49:00,960
very clearly it's in the roswell

1458
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:02,000
incident book

1459
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:04,000
that the device looks like something

1460
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:06,079
hanging from a kite or a balloon

1461
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:09,040
okay that's in the description all right

1462
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:10,559
nobody said hey we're launching mobile

1463
00:49:14,549 --> 00:49:11,760
to spy on russia

1464
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:14,559
no they didn't say that secondly um the

1465
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:15,040
other

1466
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,319
fbi report was actually an fbi uh tip

1467
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:20,400
informant report somebody had gone to

1468
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:21,920
see frank scully

1469
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:23,520
that's why they talked about three crash

1470
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:25,280
saucers aztec and so on

1471
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:27,359
he was reporting what he heard him talk

1472
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:29,440
about at a ufo get together

1473
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:31,920
was concerned and just like friedman was

1474
00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:33,440
reported on by the fbi

1475
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:35,200
here and there because the way he was

1476
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:36,640
accusing them of

1477
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:40,079
you know being in a cover-up like that

1478
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:41,839
some patriotic americans take that a

1479
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:43,359
certain way and say well

1480
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:45,040
you know i believe my government i'm

1481
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:46,559
going to report him or they believe him

1482
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:47,040
and

1483
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:48,640
want to do things against the government

1484
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:50,880
so those two memos are accounted for

1485
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:52,640
i have to laugh when they get recycled

1486
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:54,000
in the internet every few years

1487
00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:55,920
especially by the british press

1488
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:58,160
you know they tout as a new discovery

1489
00:50:01,990 --> 00:49:59,359
when it's old and

1490
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:02,000
and uh the shogun memo again was a

1491
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:03,920
copy-paste job it's been exposed you can

1492
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:05,280
easily google that

1493
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,760
uh bob todd found the original and he

1494
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:09,599
was the top roswell researcher who found

1495
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:11,119
mobile i worked with him

1496
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:14,160
yeah i think um i might have access to

1497
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:15,839
that original and it's still like

1498
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:19,040
it's kind of like it uses this it was

1499
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:21,040
like talking about saucer type craft

1500
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:23,200
right is that true they were looking at

1501
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:25,040
the port and flying v they were asking a

1502
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:26,480
lot of questions about the location of

1503
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:28,079
where the horton brothers were

1504
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:30,240
what um and we knew know that the horton

1505
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:31,520
brothers um

1506
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:32,720
i believe they were working with the

1507
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:34,480
russian and russian the russians or

1508
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:36,079
something russians were developed flying

1509
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:37,680
those flying bees

1510
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:40,800
but that was like there was certain

1511
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:42,800
parts in there about you know composites

1512
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:44,720
and um you know extreme lightweight

1513
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:46,000
metals you're like

1514
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:48,559
was that the part that was edited in now

1515
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:49,440
i again

1516
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:51,440
if you look at the original shogun memo

1517
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:52,880
you will see that they have

1518
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:56,079
fused together sentences again

1519
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:58,319
bill moore was shocked it seemed like it

1520
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:59,520
was like almost like if they had

1521
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:00,800
something but they didn't want to like

1522
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:02,960
really reveal what they had but also ask

1523
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:04,240
questions that they

1524
00:51:07,829 --> 00:51:06,079
like lightly it seems like it was almost

1525
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:07,839
like coded language it's like is this

1526
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:09,280
common in intelligence

1527
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:11,760
but why why would why can you can't make

1528
00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:13,119
that conclusion you have to have

1529
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:14,800
evidence that points to that conclusion

1530
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:15,520
and i know

1531
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:18,160
none uh you know you you've said about

1532
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:19,200
captain robert

1533
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:22,960
b mclaughlin um he's of the us navy labs

1534
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:24,640
he reported testing some of this

1535
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:26,079
material at white sands

1536
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:29,520
uh proving ground for the u.s navy

1537
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:31,119
he said it was a metal-like fabric that

1538
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:32,800
was indestructible

1539
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:35,119
they tried to drill it with a carbide

1540
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:36,559
bit drill and it wouldn't even drill

1541
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:37,280
into it

1542
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:39,040
and that's not too unbelievable i mean

1543
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:41,040
we have materials that are designed to

1544
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:42,720
heat up the drill bit and burn the drill

1545
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:43,680
bit out before it

1546
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:45,200
and it will just burn the drill bit out

1547
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:46,800
before it will ever wear through

1548
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:49,359
material they have uncuttable metals now

1549
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:50,720
um so it's not like

1550
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:52,319
completely unbelievable that these

1551
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:54,240
materials could exist

1552
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:55,680
okay they just couldn't have been built

1553
00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:58,640
by people in 1940 in the 1940s i don't

1554
00:52:01,910 --> 00:51:59,359
believe

1555
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:01,920
well first of all again what is the

1556
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:02,880
evidence he has

1557
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:05,040
other than a claim i'll place a bet in

1558
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:06,400
vegas he has none

1559
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:08,240
because again without foundationals it

1560
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:10,000
doesn't matter but come back to the

1561
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:10,960
point i want to ask

1562
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:12,960
a question because i think you may know

1563
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:14,960
the answer to this i hope you

1564
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:17,599
know the answer is yes but the us

1565
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:18,160
government

1566
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:20,240
one of our closely guarded secrets and

1567
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:21,839
i'm revealing it because i found out

1568
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:23,440
about it and it is

1569
00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:25,920
declassified up to a point if people

1570
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:26,960
bother

1571
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:30,559
we developed in the 50s a plastic

1572
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:33,839
that could withstand a nuclear explosion

1573
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:35,920
and there are some military

1574
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:36,880
installations

1575
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:39,359
underground that are fortified with it

1576
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:40,880
and i found out about this many years

1577
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:41,440
ago

1578
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:43,440
and the formula the guy who made it his

1579
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:44,800
name was leaked

1580
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:47,520
he never saw it again they bought it but

1581
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:47,839
uh

1582
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:50,400
we do have a plastic more than one that

1583
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:51,280
can withstand

1584
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:54,480
the thermal energy discharge of

1585
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:57,599
nukes and that is freaking fantastic and

1586
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,119
it was done in the 50s

1587
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:01,440
yeah it's a special type of linex right

1588
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:02,319
that's like

1589
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:04,079
the truck bed liner is pretty much made

1590
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:05,599
out of the same kind of um

1591
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:07,680
idea they use it on like concrete walls

1592
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:08,960
and they shoot like a bunker buster

1593
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:10,800
missile at it and they show like how

1594
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:13,440
strong it makes their fort like well i

1595
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:15,359
don't know the specifics because once i

1596
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:17,520
found out about it in europe and i

1597
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:19,680
found out that the formula and what it's

1598
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:21,280
called is classified i stopped right

1599
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:22,079
there

1600
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:23,839
i saw footage of the scientist talking

1601
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:26,079
about it he was waxing philosophical

1602
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:27,680
bittersweet how here was his big

1603
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:29,359
breakthrough and he can't

1604
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:31,119
he can't say here it is and make all

1605
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:33,359
this money selling it what was his name

1606
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:35,839
tons of things um i honestly don't

1607
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:36,880
remember his name

1608
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:39,760
i'm sorry it was probably 15 years ago

1609
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:41,680
in europe but i can easily find it it's

1610
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:42,800
no biggie

1611
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:46,000
if you could send that to me i thought

1612
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:47,680
of roswell when i saw that years ago

1613
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:49,280
because i thought you know

1614
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:51,920
um meta materials all that stuff they

1615
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:53,359
call them now i mean that

1616
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:55,760
that's an evolution of the way things

1617
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,520
are going it's obvious that right

1618
00:54:01,750 --> 00:53:59,599
i i've tried to like pin down like

1619
00:54:02,069 --> 00:54:01,760
extraterrestrial origins for this stuff

1620
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:02,079
and

1621
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:04,000
it's you know that that link between dan

1622
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:05,359
checkman and right pat is like the

1623
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:06,720
closest i've been able to like

1624
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:08,880
come to anything that but it's nothing

1625
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:11,119
concrete you know it's nothing that like

1626
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:13,760
i gotcha you know anybody you don't have

1627
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:15,440
the smoking gun but you have a lot of

1628
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:16,160
smoke

1629
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:18,880
but see those who claim they worked on

1630
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:20,880
the smoking gun or had it held it in

1631
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:22,640
their hands or smoked the smoking gun or

1632
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:24,000
whatever they claim

1633
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:26,160
um they need to produce some sort of

1634
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:28,240
evidence otherwise you've got nothing

1635
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:29,920
it could be therefore it is doesn't

1636
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:31,680
prove it is well does it make sense

1637
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:32,960
though that the government would just

1638
00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:33,599
let people

1639
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:35,839
walk out of an installation that's top

1640
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:38,000
secret with alien materials so they

1641
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:39,280
could have proof

1642
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:42,240
no or that you know so asking them for

1643
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:42,960
proof

1644
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:45,359
and and listen with with all due respect

1645
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:46,799
hail i think you're incredibly

1646
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:48,480
dismissive of all these eyewitness

1647
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:49,359
testimonies

1648
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:51,359
it's just like it's just like well they

1649
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:53,280
lied and they made it up and they lied

1650
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:55,119
and they tapped it on later

1651
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:56,880
you know like i'll issue you this

1652
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:58,400
channel there's a lot of that though

1653
00:55:01,990 --> 00:54:59,760
there's a lot of people that there's a

1654
00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:02,000
lot of people yeah absolutely

1655
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:03,440
give me any witness let's do it point

1656
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:05,040
counterpoint right now go for it cold

1657
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:06,400
turkey

1658
00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:09,599
sure i need knowledge

1659
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:12,000
go to do it bring hundreds of witnesses

1660
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:13,599
we've pretty much done that the whole

1661
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:17,200
about the past hour so um uh what about

1662
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:17,599
like

1663
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:19,440
well it proves i'm not dismissive if i

1664
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:21,119
can tell you what really happened

1665
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:23,599
it's not dismissive you may not agree

1666
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:25,119
with it or may not like it

1667
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:27,920
i wish they were real too but right

1668
00:55:31,109 --> 00:55:29,599
lecture saying it was real

1669
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:31,119
because that's the evidence that

1670
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:33,200
indicated at the time i would end on

1671
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:34,079
them

1672
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:35,599
saying i believe it was an alien

1673
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:37,760
spacecraft i just want to play devil's

1674
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:39,119
advocate you know what i mean i'm just

1675
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:40,240
trying to like say hey

1676
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:42,240
you know like maybe you know yeah and

1677
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:43,599
you have to remember cal too that

1678
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:44,960
there's

1679
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:49,359
for the difficulty that i have

1680
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:52,799
is that i read one story in a book

1681
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:55,119
that seems credible and then i get to

1682
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:56,000
your book

1683
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:58,640
that says no that person didn't say that

1684
00:56:01,829 --> 00:55:59,760
they said this

1685
00:56:02,789 --> 00:56:01,839
so it's very diff it's like jungling

1686
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:02,799
here to go

1687
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:05,040
it's like a personal experience he's

1688
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:06,000
intend

1689
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:09,040
with mr why uh doctor doctor um was it

1690
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:09,839
doctor what

1691
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:12,559
or dr day dr they you know the scene

1692
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:13,680
look up the scene dr

1693
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:16,400
they on us x-files season 10. he says

1694
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:17,040
you don't have to

1695
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:18,400
you could put the truth right out in

1696
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:19,839
public and no one knows what to believe

1697
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:22,319
anymore so what does it matter

1698
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:24,799
well yeah it's just confusing it's just

1699
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:25,359
confusing

1700
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:27,440
because i find a piece of evidence and

1701
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:29,119
it seems real tantalizing

1702
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:31,359
this guy said that he was there and then

1703
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:33,680
we get to another story it's like well

1704
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:35,680
he didn't really say that you know like

1705
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:36,960
this general

1706
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:40,079
okay arthur exxon put in writing

1707
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:42,319
and again i quoted from it that's why i

1708
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:44,640
was able to put it in my book

1709
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:47,440
i was shocked that he tells randall in

1710
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:49,760
writing that you put words in my mouth

1711
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:51,760
okay i'm gonna run with that because

1712
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:52,960
that's what he said

1713
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:56,240
now is exxon lying or telling the truth

1714
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:57,920
i can't prove it one way or another but

1715
00:57:01,990 --> 00:57:00,240
when he says i didn't say that

1716
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:02,000
you put words in my mouth what am i

1717
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:04,720
supposed to do pretend he did say that

1718
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:08,240
no so again i haven't dismissed anybody

1719
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:09,119
in fact

1720
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:11,760
i pointed out the definition of a

1721
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,640
witness

1722
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:14,880
according to the dictionary most of the

1723
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:16,640
people that these researchers claim are

1724
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:18,400
witnesses they're not

1725
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:20,240
women there's a lot of second-hand

1726
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:21,520
witnesses or children

1727
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:24,480
of the original families their wives and

1728
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:25,520
stuff

1729
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:28,559
children third hand is not a witness

1730
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:31,839
okay it's not it's hearsay you you

1731
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:35,440
it doesn't work that way so

1732
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:36,960
what about i mean obviously like one of

1733
00:57:39,670 --> 00:57:38,319
the things i identified was like the

1734
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:39,680
scientist because obviously if they

1735
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:41,359
it was an alien spacecraft that crashed

1736
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:42,960
there they would have had scientists

1737
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:44,240
to look at this thing you know they

1738
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:46,160
would have called scientists

1739
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:49,680
of course and what's that many jews

1740
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:51,760
yeah yeah so let's talk about some of

1741
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:52,880
those jews that ex

1742
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:54,960
you know and some of them escaped nazi

1743
00:58:00,069 --> 00:57:57,119
germany in operation paperclip

1744
00:58:00,950 --> 00:58:00,079
and um you know one two of them um let's

1745
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:00,960
uh was

1746
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:03,680
dr ernst steinhoff he was a trusted

1747
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:04,880
colleague of um

1748
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:08,640
von braun in 1947 um you know he was

1749
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:11,280
you know he said that a select group of

1750
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:12,319
uh scientists

1751
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:14,160
i don't know where this came no that

1752
00:58:17,829 --> 00:58:15,839
this is not um sorry i'm trying to find

1753
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:17,839
this

1754
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:23,280
apparently steinhoff um

1755
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:25,280
later on in his life said something

1756
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:27,119
about you know

1757
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:28,799
one of his one of his family members

1758
00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:30,319
asked him about this and he was

1759
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:31,040
interviewed

1760
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:32,319
and he said that he heard that some of

1761
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:33,760
these materials were taken to an

1762
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:37,359
underground facility at wright airfield

1763
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:39,440
and that is there was a select group of

1764
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:41,280
paper clip scientists that were taken by

1765
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:42,960
federal authorities to the new mexican

1766
00:58:48,870 --> 00:58:45,520
desert for a purpose left unstated

1767
00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:48,880
um one of the guys uh hermann

1768
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:51,599
hermann oberth who is von braun's mentor

1769
00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:52,400
um in the

1770
00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:55,440
in the the american weekly in 1954 he

1771
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:58,000
he said that it is my thesis that flying

1772
00:59:01,109 --> 00:58:59,520
saucers are real

1773
00:59:02,710 --> 00:59:01,119
and that they are spaceships from

1774
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:02,720
another solar system

1775
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:04,799
i think that they are possibly are

1776
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:06,720
manned by intelligent observers who are

1777
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:08,319
members of a race that may have been

1778
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:10,640
investigating our earth for centuries

1779
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:12,559
i think that they possibly have been

1780
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:14,240
sent out to conduct systematic

1781
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:16,000
long-range investigations

1782
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:18,720
first of men animals and vegetation and

1783
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:20,640
more recently of atomic centers

1784
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:22,799
armaments and centers from of armament

1785
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:23,680
production

1786
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:26,480
they obviously have not come as invaders

1787
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:28,559
but i believe that their present mission

1788
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:31,280
may be one of scientific investigation

1789
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:32,880
that's sort of interesting so that that

1790
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:34,559
some of these paper clip scientists were

1791
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:35,760
talking about aliens and

1792
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:37,680
extraterrestrials um later on

1793
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:40,319
towards the end of their life walter j h

1794
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:42,480
papa riedel i was a german v2 rocket

1795
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:43,839
scientist

1796
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:47,280
in the 1952 edition of life magazine

1797
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:49,200
said that i'm convinced that saucers

1798
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:51,920
have an out of this world basis

1799
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:55,119
okay but in 1952

1800
01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:58,400
the cia especially

1801
01:00:02,309 --> 01:00:00,160
and the air force were involved in a

1802
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:02,319
deliberate disinformation campaign

1803
01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:03,599
because

1804
01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:05,200
and i'm not saying they went out and

1805
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:07,280
caused all the ufo sightings

1806
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:09,200
don't even go there not you but people

1807
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:10,799
who think that way all or nothing it's

1808
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:11,839
ridiculous

1809
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:16,400
what i'm saying is is this imagine

1810
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:18,319
aliens came here in the sense of some

1811
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:20,160
crashed saucer

1812
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:22,559
us finds it okay obviously they're going

1813
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:24,000
to want to cover it up if they don't

1814
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:25,440
make the decision to tell the whole

1815
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:27,119
world hey we've got it we've got it you

1816
01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:29,520
guys don't need her name and neener

1817
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:31,359
all right so then what did they do they

1818
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:33,280
would try to figure it out okay

1819
01:00:37,109 --> 01:00:35,359
there would have to be a bunch of

1820
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:37,119
changes cause and effect

1821
01:00:41,430 --> 01:00:39,359
over time that would be in response to

1822
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:41,440
that even if they determined ultimately

1823
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:42,640
that it ran on as

1824
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:44,640
stanton friedman used to jump with me an

1825
01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:45,680
obtainium

1826
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:49,599
okay so all of these ufo meta material

1827
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:51,440
physical fragments arts parts all that

1828
01:00:55,030 --> 01:00:52,480
other fraudulent

1829
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:55,040
stuff that was exposed again in this

1830
01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:56,079
book

1831
01:00:59,670 --> 01:00:58,480
um arts parts is in there too bad linda

1832
01:01:01,990 --> 01:00:59,680
molten how

1833
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:02,000
a simple and you you know this very few

1834
01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:02,960
people do

1835
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:05,599
who talk about this subject a simple

1836
01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:06,720
isotopic

1837
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:09,839
ratio analysis of any material will

1838
01:01:12,549 --> 01:01:10,400
prove

1839
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:12,559
whether it came from our system or earth

1840
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:14,400
or some alien system

1841
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:16,079
if you don't bother with that test i

1842
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:17,760
have no time for you

1843
01:01:22,710 --> 01:01:20,799
because you're wasting life existence

1844
01:01:24,309 --> 01:01:22,720
yeah i will say this on the claims that

1845
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:24,319
people have alien materials

1846
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:26,559
you know it's a very simple test right

1847
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:29,680
it's a very simple test to put it into

1848
01:01:33,589 --> 01:01:31,920
simple i mean a lot of labs will charge

1849
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:33,599
big money for that stuff but that's why

1850
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:34,880
like that's why we're setting up this

1851
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:35,280
whole

1852
01:01:38,309 --> 01:01:36,559
that's why kind of like i've linked up

1853
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:38,319
with a lot of scientists who have access

1854
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:39,359
to this kind of stuff

1855
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:41,200
and we've put it out there that we'll

1856
01:01:44,069 --> 01:01:43,040
get this material tested for for you for

1857
01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:44,079
free if it's if

1858
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:45,200
yeah but i'll be able to look at it

1859
01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:46,799
under a microscope and tell right away

1860
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:48,160
whether it's something i want to

1861
01:01:51,670 --> 01:01:50,720
spend the money to go and put get sem or

1862
01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:51,680
isotopic

1863
01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:53,920
you know spectroscopy on it yeah and one

1864
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:54,720
thing is

1865
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:56,640
i don't know who all your contacts are

1866
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:58,160
but i have plenty of people going back

1867
01:02:02,390 --> 01:02:00,480
decades some of them are still alive

1868
01:02:04,309 --> 01:02:02,400
i'm still younger than some of them and

1869
01:02:06,870 --> 01:02:04,319
um

1870
01:02:08,789 --> 01:02:06,880
will be done for free once it passes

1871
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:08,799
let's call it the [\h__\h] test you know

1872
01:02:13,349 --> 01:02:11,280
what's it right per sniff it is worth

1873
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:13,359
pursuing because your derelict if you

1874
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:13,920
don't

1875
01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:15,760
the yuba tube of brazil samples are

1876
01:02:19,109 --> 01:02:17,200
perfect example

1877
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:19,119
i tried to get that thing settled years

1878
01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:21,280
ago through the lorenzens because

1879
01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:24,240
the uh images of the spectra reading

1880
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:24,880
were there

1881
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:26,640
on the film we could go back and be

1882
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:28,079
independently tested

1883
01:02:31,430 --> 01:02:30,000
it turns out that the equipment was not

1884
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:31,440
sensitive enough to detect the

1885
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:32,160
impurities

1886
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:34,079
that were there but didn't show up at

1887
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:36,720
the time in the 50s and 60s

1888
01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:38,880
good job with the equipment at the time

1889
01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:41,119
like fish's star map with the

1890
01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:43,280
leasi star catalog at the time but later

1891
01:02:47,190 --> 01:02:44,799
date approved it just

1892
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:47,200
didn't hold up and it's okay to admit

1893
01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:48,000
that the problem

1894
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:49,440
is when you try to make movies saying

1895
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:51,520
it's true based on stuff that is no

1896
01:02:54,309 --> 01:02:52,400
longer true

1897
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:54,319
and that is is getting stuck in a loop

1898
01:02:57,190 --> 01:02:55,680
and that was a problem friedman and

1899
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:57,200
bryce that they'll have

1900
01:03:00,309 --> 01:02:59,200
and this hype continues in a loop it's

1901
01:03:02,630 --> 01:03:00,319
now

1902
01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:02,640
miniature alien mummies from peru and

1903
01:03:07,270 --> 01:03:05,200
and the like yes

1904
01:03:09,349 --> 01:03:07,280
i hate that stuff they made a lot of

1905
01:03:12,549 --> 01:03:09,359
money you know on paper

1906
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:12,559
you know but um what was i gonna say

1907
01:03:15,910 --> 01:03:14,160
about that but back to

1908
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:15,920
we mentioned like kevin randle and don

1909
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:18,000
schmidt and some of those guys um

1910
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:20,240
i've been i was digging into um a lot of

1911
01:03:23,589 --> 01:03:21,839
anthony brigalia's work

1912
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:23,599
uh in research from the over the past

1913
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:25,440
like six months and he's been like

1914
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:27,280
really focused on that material side of

1915
01:03:31,029 --> 01:03:28,559
things which is why

1916
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:31,039
you know his his research kind of top

1917
01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:32,160
caught my eye

1918
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:33,839
and i've been sort of digging through

1919
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:35,520
you know obviously he he points out that

1920
01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:37,440
battelle memorial institute was

1921
01:03:41,829 --> 01:03:39,760
you know the leading military industrial

1922
01:03:43,270 --> 01:03:41,839
complex metallurgists at the time

1923
01:03:45,270 --> 01:03:43,280
and that they'd probably be like the

1924
01:03:49,029 --> 01:03:45,280
number one place where you'd bring

1925
01:03:51,190 --> 01:03:49,039
alien debris if you had it and um

1926
01:03:52,230 --> 01:03:51,200
and then he looks into um you know some

1927
01:03:54,309 --> 01:03:52,240
of the battelle stuff

1928
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:54,319
uh there was a metallurgist named elroy

1929
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:56,160
john center who apparently told his

1930
01:03:58,230 --> 01:03:57,440
daughter that he had worked on a

1931
01:04:00,549 --> 01:03:58,240
material

1932
01:04:01,670 --> 01:04:00,559
like that memory foil for or something

1933
01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:01,680
that was alien

1934
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:03,680
and while he was at roswell and it was

1935
01:04:07,910 --> 01:04:04,720
uh and he

1936
01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:07,920
indeed if you look up some of his

1937
01:04:11,190 --> 01:04:09,200
paperwork and some of the

1938
01:04:12,549 --> 01:04:11,200
research that he did for battelle not at

1939
01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:12,559
roswell but at battelle

1940
01:04:17,349 --> 01:04:14,960
in columbus ohio which is which is

1941
01:04:19,829 --> 01:04:17,359
literally 65 miles from dayton ohio

1942
01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:19,839
we're right patterson air force bases

1943
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:22,000
in close proximity um and so it makes

1944
01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:23,200
sense that you know battelle

1945
01:04:27,190 --> 01:04:25,359
would be a place that we'd look or or

1946
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:27,200
investigate as researchers for

1947
01:04:30,789 --> 01:04:29,200
you know if there was indeed you know

1948
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:30,799
alien metals that were recovered from

1949
01:04:33,670 --> 01:04:31,680
roswell

1950
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:33,680
that's a private company so for you

1951
01:04:36,069 --> 01:04:35,520
doesn't work on the retail so you can't

1952
01:04:37,910 --> 01:04:36,079
foil

1953
01:04:39,349 --> 01:04:37,920
you can't foia documents on it it's done

1954
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:39,359
under a private corporation

1955
01:04:43,510 --> 01:04:41,520
and and you can't it's unacceptable by

1956
01:04:45,510 --> 01:04:43,520
foia and it's interesting that battelle

1957
01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:45,520
kind of runs all our national labs and i

1958
01:04:48,630 --> 01:04:46,559
you know i won't go there into

1959
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:48,640
conspiracy world too deep but um

1960
01:04:51,589 --> 01:04:50,160
it's certainly not outside the realm of

1961
01:04:54,069 --> 01:04:51,599
possibilities that they're what they

1962
01:04:57,270 --> 01:04:54,079
could have been one of these players

1963
01:05:00,390 --> 01:04:57,280
patel has patel is a landmine beca

1964
01:05:02,470 --> 01:05:00,400
minefield because i think stanton

1965
01:05:04,789 --> 01:05:02,480
friedman you have project blue book 14

1966
01:05:06,549 --> 01:05:04,799
he quoted the patel memorial institute

1967
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:06,559
study project blue book 14

1968
01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:09,039
concluding that 19.7 percent of all

1969
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:10,079
reports remain

1970
01:05:14,230 --> 01:05:12,960
unknown and that the unidentified and

1971
01:05:16,190 --> 01:05:14,240
that the um

1972
01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:16,200
chances of those being uh

1973
01:05:21,910 --> 01:05:17,680
misinterpretations or

1974
01:05:22,870 --> 01:05:21,920
misnomes was less than two percent well

1975
01:05:41,270 --> 01:05:22,880
i

1976
01:05:43,430 --> 01:05:41,280
and he showed that the um uh

1977
01:05:44,470 --> 01:05:43,440
blue book 14 didn't conclude any such

1978
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:44,480
thing there was no

1979
01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:46,240
unusually high number of unknowns and

1980
01:05:49,829 --> 01:05:47,680
all other stuff

1981
01:05:51,990 --> 01:05:49,839
uh but as far as patel being one of the

1982
01:05:54,069 --> 01:05:52,000
top contractors the whole foia thing

1983
01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:54,079
bigelow being a modern example of how a

1984
01:05:57,430 --> 01:05:55,440
contractor gets stuff

1985
01:05:58,950 --> 01:05:57,440
that doesn't have to be held accountable

1986
01:06:00,549 --> 01:05:58,960
to transparency

1987
01:06:02,470 --> 01:06:00,559
and foia look at those special

1988
01:06:03,029 --> 01:06:02,480
warehouses and buildings they supposedly

1989
01:06:06,150 --> 01:06:03,039
built

1990
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:06,160
for the meta materials right which

1991
01:06:09,270 --> 01:06:08,000
never were done but they made the claim

1992
01:06:11,910 --> 01:06:09,280
and of course if you foia you get

1993
01:06:14,069 --> 01:06:11,920
nowhere and they know that

1994
01:06:14,950 --> 01:06:14,079
the us government business model is a

1995
01:06:16,789 --> 01:06:14,960
combination

1996
01:06:17,990 --> 01:06:16,799
when it serves their purposes of private

1997
01:06:19,270 --> 01:06:18,000
enterprise and government

1998
01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:19,280
i know that from my own first-hand

1999
01:06:22,789 --> 01:06:21,440
experience real quickly when i worked at

2000
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:22,799
lawrence livermore lab

2001
01:06:27,829 --> 01:06:26,160
we lost our manager after a few months

2002
01:06:28,950 --> 01:06:27,839
she left because they told her you

2003
01:06:30,150 --> 01:06:28,960
weren't going to get promoted because

2004
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:30,160
you didn't have a degree and you were a

2005
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:31,839
woman that's how it was back then it was

2006
01:06:35,430 --> 01:06:32,640
wrong

2007
01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:35,440
so we had new boss for six months we

2008
01:06:38,789 --> 01:06:37,200
could do anything we wanted i worked

2009
01:06:41,109 --> 01:06:38,799
over a year straight without a day off i

2010
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:41,119
got into all kinds of things

2011
01:06:45,589 --> 01:06:43,920
because i didn't have a clearance but

2012
01:06:45,990 --> 01:06:45,599
they needed a classified view graph

2013
01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:46,000
tracking

2014
01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:47,920
system written because none existed and

2015
01:06:52,390 --> 01:06:50,160
i found that out so i wrote it

2016
01:06:54,309 --> 01:06:52,400
and i got to see all kinds of projects

2017
01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:54,319
and stuff that was not accounted for in

2018
01:06:58,470 --> 01:06:56,319
the ufo literature i looked all over

2019
01:07:00,069 --> 01:06:58,480
for new mexico sandia as long as

2020
01:07:01,829 --> 01:07:00,079
livermore lab as you know has agreements

2021
01:07:02,470 --> 01:07:01,839
with sandias and it was right across the

2022
01:07:06,390 --> 01:07:02,480
street

2023
01:07:09,029 --> 01:07:06,400
you know detonations on the side

2024
01:07:10,710 --> 01:07:09,039
the other side was designing did that

2025
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:10,720
work you did declassified now

2026
01:07:15,029 --> 01:07:13,039
cal uh the classified view graph

2027
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:15,039
tracking system yeah

2028
01:07:20,069 --> 01:07:17,280
i don't i don't know because i wrote it

2029
01:07:22,390 --> 01:07:20,079
in hyper card background

2030
01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:22,400
wow yeah i used it you're a computer

2031
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:23,440
programmer huh

2032
01:07:27,430 --> 01:07:24,960
yeah i was on the microcard development

2033
01:07:30,789 --> 01:07:27,440
team so i used hypercard as a front end

2034
01:07:31,589 --> 01:07:30,799
to a vax system and that's that's how it

2035
01:07:33,670 --> 01:07:31,599
was done

2036
01:07:35,349 --> 01:07:33,680
uh because i told people and there was

2037
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:35,359
an article i showed on steve the last

2038
01:07:38,069 --> 01:07:36,240
show i was on the steam

2039
01:07:40,309 --> 01:07:38,079
it's never been on the internet i was

2040
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:40,319
written up in the media for

2041
01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:42,240
government at ufo buff turns his

2042
01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:43,440
attention to computers

2043
01:07:46,390 --> 01:07:44,720
and i did all this stuff for the

2044
01:07:47,910 --> 01:07:46,400
government the stuff that i'm going to

2045
01:07:50,549 --> 01:07:47,920
send erica luke's tonight

2046
01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:50,559
and stephen uh tomorrow the ufo com

2047
01:07:53,589 --> 01:07:51,200
software

2048
01:07:55,270 --> 01:07:53,599
is written from these binary research

2049
01:07:58,230 --> 01:07:55,280
and deployment systems i did

2050
01:07:59,589 --> 01:07:58,240
brads uh for years using counter in

2051
01:08:01,510 --> 01:07:59,599
counterterrorism and all these others

2052
01:08:03,990 --> 01:08:01,520
and cal you you probably should include

2053
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:04,000
jeremy in your testing

2054
01:08:07,589 --> 01:08:05,760
jeremy he's got this really great

2055
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:07,599
software for research

2056
01:08:11,190 --> 01:08:10,559
that's just it looks great and and uh i

2057
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:11,200
think yeah

2058
01:08:14,470 --> 01:08:12,720
what is up with your software i wanted

2059
01:08:16,149 --> 01:08:14,480
to know more about your software

2060
01:08:17,590 --> 01:08:16,159
yeah real quickly because i just want to

2061
01:08:19,510 --> 01:08:17,600
tell people i'm i'm

2062
01:08:21,430 --> 01:08:19,520
this the deliverables are moving this

2063
01:08:23,590 --> 01:08:21,440
week like i promised on steven's show

2064
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:23,600
steven is it possible to show a slide

2065
01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:24,799
here yeah you can

2066
01:08:28,550 --> 01:08:26,960
share your screen and then i i just have

2067
01:08:30,070 --> 01:08:28,560
to approve it once you share it so share

2068
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:30,080
whatever you want to share

2069
01:08:33,430 --> 01:08:31,440
you go down to the middle there and

2070
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:33,440
click share and then

2071
01:08:37,030 --> 01:08:35,440
you know choose what you want to share

2072
01:08:39,189 --> 01:08:37,040
and then it'll pop up on my screen and i

2073
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:39,199
can share it for our audience here

2074
01:08:43,510 --> 01:08:41,520
and don't forget to smash that like and

2075
01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:43,520
subscribe button

2076
01:08:49,829 --> 01:08:46,880
okay okay so i'm sharing it okay

2077
01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:49,839
so basically i am sending erica luke's

2078
01:08:54,630 --> 01:08:51,279
i'm going to call her after the show

2079
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:54,640
this is her of course um she is going to

2080
01:08:57,669 --> 01:08:55,440
be putting real

2081
01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:57,679
archival material into the software that

2082
01:09:01,349 --> 01:08:59,440
i've written for her

2083
01:09:02,789 --> 01:09:01,359
i've adapted it from she's great by the

2084
01:09:05,910 --> 01:09:02,799
way i know yeah

2085
01:09:07,189 --> 01:09:05,920
i i just i just got into uh some of her

2086
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:07,199
shows and have been

2087
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:09,199
trying to catch up listening while i'm

2088
01:09:13,110 --> 01:09:11,199
doing other things

2089
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:13,120
yeah i think she's great too i want to i

2090
01:09:17,110 --> 01:09:14,400
want to reach out to her

2091
01:09:17,829 --> 01:09:17,120
and uh collaborate on some things

2092
01:09:21,030 --> 01:09:17,839
definitely

2093
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:21,040
and so uh basically these uh cover many

2094
01:09:24,070 --> 01:09:22,400
different areas you can see down here

2095
01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:24,080
i'm into a lot of different things so

2096
01:09:27,430 --> 01:09:25,759
she's not gonna get all those because

2097
01:09:29,430 --> 01:09:27,440
i don't think she's into that stuff but

2098
01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:29,440
she's gonna get the ufo software ufo

2099
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:31,199
comp which is up here

2100
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:34,480
and it has four basic

2101
01:09:38,950 --> 01:09:36,960
areas this is has some five records in

2102
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:38,960
it this is from the upcoming heflin

2103
01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:40,799
expose book project these original

2104
01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:42,880
photos have never been published before

2105
01:09:47,829 --> 01:09:45,759
and you can see here uh on them um you

2106
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:47,839
know the computer analysis that was done

2107
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:49,279
back in the 80s

2108
01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:50,960
way before photoshop and the internet

2109
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:53,600
existed and this is all coming out these

2110
01:09:55,750 --> 01:09:54,880
are from the archives that have been

2111
01:09:57,750 --> 01:09:55,760
locked up

2112
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:57,760
and so i'll be talking to her about what

2113
01:10:01,910 --> 01:09:59,760
she wants and what i'll be doing is

2114
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:01,920
making workflows to help her do her

2115
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:03,840
thing i also want to say that we're

2116
01:10:07,990 --> 01:10:05,280
starting to ship these here you may

2117
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:08,000
remember these stevens these are

2118
01:10:11,910 --> 01:10:09,840
this is great when you put when you put

2119
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:11,920
what is it when you put hot coffee in it

2120
01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:14,640
the spaceships appear or disappear right

2121
01:10:18,870 --> 01:10:16,320
actually we haven't released the magic

2122
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:18,880
mugs yet um okay the magic mugs is what

2123
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:20,640
i want

2124
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:22,080
these are conversation mugs they're

2125
01:10:25,110 --> 01:10:23,360
gonna be on different subjects like

2126
01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:25,120
roswell and all this billy meyer

2127
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:27,199
so you see the meyer photo here then you

2128
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:28,640
see a guy running by

2129
01:10:31,990 --> 01:10:30,880
the recreation of it that was done so we

2130
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:32,000
tell you exactly how to

2131
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:34,560
make your own fake ships here is meyer's

2132
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:35,840
thing going around a tree

2133
01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:37,840
here's locations i took undercover

2134
01:10:40,870 --> 01:10:38,880
secretly

2135
01:10:42,790 --> 01:10:40,880
proving that the tree was never there

2136
01:10:44,790 --> 01:10:42,800
you can't argue with that stuff

2137
01:10:46,390 --> 01:10:44,800
here's you know products coming out that

2138
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:46,400
show people the truth

2139
01:10:49,830 --> 01:10:48,400
don't be you foolishist you know so all

2140
01:10:52,070 --> 01:10:49,840
this is coming out

2141
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:52,080
and again this stuff is being up these

2142
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:53,280
are

2143
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:55,199
and billy meyer must love you putting

2144
01:11:00,310 --> 01:10:57,120
his photos on products

2145
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:00,320
you know i can legally do

2146
01:11:05,510 --> 01:11:02,719
how dare someone else make money off of

2147
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:05,520
my [\h__\h] pictures

2148
01:11:10,229 --> 01:11:08,880
[\h__\h] you yeah so you just broke it you

2149
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:10,239
that was the first swear of the stream

2150
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:11,040
right there

2151
01:11:16,630 --> 01:11:14,239
now you can't monetize this really

2152
01:11:17,910 --> 01:11:16,640
yeah you didn't know about that no yeah

2153
01:11:19,510 --> 01:11:17,920
when i'm guessing

2154
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:19,520
you're not supposed to swear so you

2155
01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:21,600
otherwise they can do monetize

2156
01:11:25,669 --> 01:11:23,280
well i've been waiting for three weeks

2157
01:11:28,229 --> 01:11:25,679
now for them to monetize me so

2158
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:28,239
oh yeah well that's probably why man i

2159
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:29,679
can take this down and edit it yeah i

2160
01:11:33,189 --> 01:11:31,440
gotta stop first

2161
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:33,199
uh real quickly i'm adding these will

2162
01:11:35,110 --> 01:11:34,800
ship and march the updated versions they

2163
01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:35,120
have

2164
01:11:38,790 --> 01:11:36,719
multimedia elements added to them you

2165
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:38,800
point your smartphone to the qr codes

2166
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:40,400
and magic things happen

2167
01:11:44,790 --> 01:11:42,960
and then these are coming out the

2168
01:11:46,229 --> 01:11:44,800
revised star map that shows modern

2169
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:46,239
astronomical data and this

2170
01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:47,840
shows the stuff about roswell been

2171
01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:49,520
talking about because it's an update

2172
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:50,960
because all that original material has

2173
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:53,760
been found it was in storage for over 20

2174
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:54,560
years

2175
01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:56,159
when i went around the world and did

2176
01:11:59,189 --> 01:11:57,840
other things so

2177
01:12:00,709 --> 01:11:59,199
you know i did not even know these

2178
01:12:01,270 --> 01:12:00,719
original debris photos survived i

2179
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:01,280
thought they

2180
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:03,440
were lost but they're here and there's

2181
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:05,120
no question they're real

2182
01:12:08,550 --> 01:12:06,719
so that was just something i wanted to

2183
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:08,560
do and then again i have tables of some

2184
01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:09,199
of the

2185
01:12:13,270 --> 01:12:11,520
you know witnesses and so on and all

2186
01:12:15,750 --> 01:12:13,280
that but we discussed all these you know

2187
01:12:17,669 --> 01:12:15,760
or at least some of them so this would

2188
01:12:18,070 --> 01:12:17,679
be a great tool for working out this

2189
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:18,080
whole

2190
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:19,679
mess with roswell because it's just a

2191
01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:21,280
tangled freaking web of like

2192
01:12:26,550 --> 01:12:24,480
it is what he said yeah i will tell you

2193
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:26,560
that's already been done we used ai

2194
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:28,800
and machine learning to nail the frauds

2195
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:29,760
and i'm

2196
01:12:33,669 --> 01:12:32,159
there's a there's a i'm sorry a scandals

2197
01:12:36,790 --> 01:12:33,679
of kevin ryan i want to see how close

2198
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:36,800
my my intelligence was to yours your ai

2199
01:12:40,229 --> 01:12:39,360
so because i've i've had no idea who's

2200
01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:40,239
afraid i don't

2201
01:12:43,270 --> 01:12:42,960
i'm a computer guy and i don't trust ai

2202
01:12:44,709 --> 01:12:43,280
that's

2203
01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:44,719
absolutely nothing i just don't trust

2204
01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:47,679
the government period oh man definitely

2205
01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:49,679
this is a different this is a forensic

2206
01:12:52,709 --> 01:12:50,960
ai meaning

2207
01:12:54,310 --> 01:12:52,719
i'm actually writing a paper because

2208
01:12:55,669 --> 01:12:54,320
it's a good paper for the computing

2209
01:12:57,430 --> 01:12:55,679
field and that is that you can use

2210
01:12:59,830 --> 01:12:57,440
forensic ai to

2211
01:13:01,750 --> 01:12:59,840
determine whether somebody faked several

2212
01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:01,760
different documents or whatever

2213
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:03,199
and it turns out that some of the

2214
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:05,600
roswell authors have created witnesses

2215
01:13:08,390 --> 01:13:07,280
that don't exist there's no question

2216
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:08,400
that's true

2217
01:13:14,149 --> 01:13:11,280
uh so they're busted and the science

2218
01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:14,159
paper on this is going into the ieee i

2219
01:13:16,550 --> 01:13:14,880
believe

2220
01:13:18,229 --> 01:13:16,560
for submission because it has

2221
01:13:20,149 --> 01:13:18,239
implications for law enforcement

2222
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:20,159
and so on independent of roswell roswell

2223
01:13:22,709 --> 01:13:21,360
was a good test case

2224
01:13:24,550 --> 01:13:22,719
but there's certain patterns here when

2225
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:24,560
you start to see the same

2226
01:13:29,110 --> 01:13:27,600
words come up over and over and over uh

2227
01:13:31,750 --> 01:13:29,120
there are reasons those same words are

2228
01:13:33,189 --> 01:13:31,760
being used and so i'm excited by this

2229
01:13:35,350 --> 01:13:33,199
new level stuff

2230
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:35,360
because i've been playing with it for

2231
01:13:38,709 --> 01:13:37,600
years and doing what i do in other areas

2232
01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:38,719
and uh

2233
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:41,760
um you know reapplying this stuff back

2234
01:13:45,510 --> 01:13:43,120
to ufo research and

2235
01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:45,520
coming back to fight the fights that

2236
01:13:48,790 --> 01:13:46,800
were fought and won

2237
01:13:50,229 --> 01:13:48,800
or at least were winning at that time

2238
01:13:51,990 --> 01:13:50,239
before the millennium and then being

2239
01:13:53,590 --> 01:13:52,000
gone for about 20 years and

2240
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:53,600
now this stuff is suddenly in vogue

2241
01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:55,360
again um

2242
01:13:59,350 --> 01:13:57,280
it needs to be taken to a new level and

2243
01:14:01,830 --> 01:13:59,360
to the point where people can say okay

2244
01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:01,840
this is the truth i can verify it i can

2245
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:03,040
test it myself

2246
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:05,920
this is not true and he is a denier or

2247
01:14:08,470 --> 01:14:06,480
she is

2248
01:14:09,669 --> 01:14:08,480
or he's not telling the truth but at

2249
01:14:11,669 --> 01:14:09,679
least you'll know

2250
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:11,679
and you get it to that binary level and

2251
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:14,159
uh and then it works you know

2252
01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:15,600
and that's what we're trying to do we

2253
01:14:18,149 --> 01:14:17,360
focus on binaries or we don't bother and

2254
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:18,159
ufo comp

2255
01:14:22,790 --> 01:14:20,560
i i first designed that in high school

2256
01:14:25,030 --> 01:14:22,800
but it started off with index cards

2257
01:14:26,709 --> 01:14:25,040
and it was only until hyper card that's

2258
01:14:29,189 --> 01:14:26,719
why the press wrote about it

2259
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:29,199
and i used hypercard and all that stuff

2260
01:14:31,669 --> 01:14:30,159
secretly

2261
01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:31,679
for classified stuff as well as public

2262
01:14:35,669 --> 01:14:34,080
stuff you know that's why i was in and

2263
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:35,679
out of apple for seven and a half years

2264
01:14:39,030 --> 01:14:35,920
and

2265
01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:39,040
lost my lab for years did you when

2266
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:40,640
you're at lawrence livermore labs did

2267
01:14:46,790 --> 01:14:43,840
you see any other pentium

2268
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:46,800
no no unobtainium but i'll tell you uh

2269
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:48,719
the ufo thing was a hot potato

2270
01:14:52,310 --> 01:14:51,600
and um uh because of that article i got

2271
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:52,320
in trouble

2272
01:14:56,149 --> 01:14:55,360
and um i'm gonna publish that full

2273
01:14:58,550 --> 01:14:56,159
article

2274
01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:58,560
in the new book because this back story

2275
01:15:00,470 --> 01:14:59,840
needs to be in there so people

2276
01:15:01,350 --> 01:15:00,480
understand

2277
01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:01,360
because they're like where the hell

2278
01:15:05,350 --> 01:15:03,280
would this come from and basically they

2279
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:05,360
said that we can't have a ufo researcher

2280
01:15:09,350 --> 01:15:07,199
working on the projects you do

2281
01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:09,360
because it'll make people think we're

2282
01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:10,960
you know doing roswell or whatever and

2283
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:12,800
that you need to clear everything with

2284
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:13,199
us

2285
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:15,920
first duh especially since i was getting

2286
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:16,400
clear as

2287
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:18,480
clearance so i agreed that i would stay

2288
01:15:22,470 --> 01:15:20,159
out of the media for years

2289
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:22,480
yeah it's it's a hot button i know i

2290
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:24,719
know somebody who was a ufo researcher

2291
01:15:27,990 --> 01:15:25,360
and then

2292
01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:28,000
his his day job said like you you can't

2293
01:15:31,189 --> 01:15:30,239
be doing interviews on tv and stuff and

2294
01:15:33,669 --> 01:15:31,199
working here

2295
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:33,679
so you gotta you know choose whether you

2296
01:15:36,870 --> 01:15:35,520
want your job or you want to keep doing

2297
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:36,880
this and then he kind of just took a

2298
01:15:40,229 --> 01:15:38,480
step back and kept his job

2299
01:15:41,590 --> 01:15:40,239
you're talking about trap because i'm

2300
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:41,600
pretty sure like they pick

2301
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:45,360
up that guy yeah yeah yeah

2302
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:47,760
we'll give you uh what got his 50 grand

2303
01:15:52,790 --> 01:15:49,679
you know 70 a year sound

2304
01:15:54,070 --> 01:15:52,800
plus benefits and retirement plan

2305
01:15:55,830 --> 01:15:54,080
don't talk about you may have been

2306
01:15:57,189 --> 01:15:55,840
getting too close about

2307
01:15:59,189 --> 01:15:57,199
too close to the truth about some of

2308
01:15:59,669 --> 01:15:59,199
those black projects and the black hole

2309
01:16:02,790 --> 01:15:59,679
of

2310
01:16:05,669 --> 01:16:02,800
sure

2311
01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:05,679
well here's an example of some disinfo

2312
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:06,000
that

2313
01:16:09,830 --> 01:16:08,560
i think needs to be settled and if if

2314
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:09,840
everything works it's going to be on

2315
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:11,520
schedule to be settled by the summer and

2316
01:16:14,470 --> 01:16:13,120
i'm excited about this you know about

2317
01:16:15,830 --> 01:16:14,480
this effort i think stephen

2318
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:15,840
it's been delayed a year because of the

2319
01:16:20,070 --> 01:16:18,480
pandemic but around summer

2320
01:16:21,510 --> 01:16:20,080
the ufo task force is supposed to

2321
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:21,520
release their report around

2322
01:16:25,430 --> 01:16:23,040
roswell month of course that's going to

2323
01:16:26,550 --> 01:16:25,440
be good pr whatever it says i have no

2324
01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:26,560
idea but

2325
01:16:31,110 --> 01:16:29,520
i do have a promise from the ig's office

2326
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:31,120
now that everything's theoretically

2327
01:16:36,550 --> 01:16:32,560
getting back in order under

2328
01:16:39,030 --> 01:16:36,560
this administration to look at the issue

2329
01:16:40,630 --> 01:16:39,040
two issues of the h.f harry reid stuff i

2330
01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:40,640
sent you stephen slides from that

2331
01:16:46,229 --> 01:16:42,880
presentation prepared for the government

2332
01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:46,239
secondly uh i am contesting claiming

2333
01:16:48,550 --> 01:16:47,520
it's a fraud because that's my

2334
01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:48,560
hypothesis

2335
01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:50,320
this patent that they got the three

2336
01:16:53,910 --> 01:16:52,400
patents i'm trying to have it

2337
01:16:55,510 --> 01:16:53,920
independently looked at because i don't

2338
01:16:57,510 --> 01:16:55,520
believe it's credible

2339
01:16:58,870 --> 01:16:57,520
i think they did it only because i

2340
01:17:01,590 --> 01:16:58,880
picked up some intelligence in

2341
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:01,600
asia that they were doing it hoping to

2342
01:17:05,510 --> 01:17:03,600
head off any potential chinese

2343
01:17:06,149 --> 01:17:05,520
advancements because we're behind we're

2344
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:06,159
behind

2345
01:17:10,709 --> 01:17:09,360
them in some areas including the ability

2346
01:17:13,990 --> 01:17:10,719
to make a miniature

2347
01:17:15,750 --> 01:17:14,000
sun china has beat us to that so and now

2348
01:17:19,030 --> 01:17:15,760
they've got two probes around mars

2349
01:17:21,590 --> 01:17:19,040
so um i don't think the patent is valid

2350
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:21,600
if it is valid it will be great to be

2351
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:22,080
wrong

2352
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:23,760
and lose because they'll say yeah we

2353
01:17:26,950 --> 01:17:26,159
really do have this space-time warper

2354
01:17:28,470 --> 01:17:26,960
engine

2355
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:28,480
and we're just making jets for the hell

2356
01:17:32,390 --> 01:17:30,480
of it you know wasting

2357
01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:32,400
playing saucers or they'll say you're

2358
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:33,760
right it's not valid

2359
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:36,400
it's struck down and reality comes back

2360
01:17:39,669 --> 01:17:37,600
either way we learn

2361
01:17:41,350 --> 01:17:39,679
the truth hopefully unless the answer is

2362
01:17:42,470 --> 01:17:41,360
the third way which is it's classified

2363
01:17:44,229 --> 01:17:42,480
we can't talk about it

2364
01:17:46,229 --> 01:17:44,239
then you've got to write it out and do

2365
01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:46,239
other things but that's on schedule

2366
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:48,800
it's been picked back up i'm hoping in

2367
01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:50,880
two months to find out from kiviat

2368
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:52,960
where his lawsuit is over you know

2369
01:17:57,030 --> 01:17:54,239
pendlefi and

2370
01:17:57,990 --> 01:17:57,040
marriott and those guys because that is

2371
01:17:59,830 --> 01:17:58,000
still going on the judge

2372
01:18:01,669 --> 01:17:59,840
wanted it wrapped up last year but and

2373
01:18:03,189 --> 01:18:01,679
she ordered it that way but the pandemic

2374
01:18:05,830 --> 01:18:03,199
torpedoed everything

2375
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:05,840
so it's it's a mess now in that in in

2376
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:07,360
that one thing but the other projects

2377
01:18:12,630 --> 01:18:09,360
are moving forward

2378
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:12,640
so that um

2379
01:18:15,669 --> 01:18:14,400
where did you get that figure for six

2380
01:18:18,470 --> 01:18:15,679
point uh six

2381
01:18:19,590 --> 01:18:18,480
like 65.9 million people believing the

2382
01:18:22,870 --> 01:18:19,600
roswell case

2383
01:18:24,870 --> 01:18:22,880
oh um because if you look at the uh

2384
01:18:27,270 --> 01:18:24,880
there's been surveys done over the years

2385
01:18:28,870 --> 01:18:27,280
of what americans believe in conspiracy

2386
01:18:32,149 --> 01:18:28,880
so it's from that series

2387
01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:32,159
the granddaddy of the mall is jfk uh

2388
01:18:36,550 --> 01:18:34,480
81 percent believed in it at its peak

2389
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:36,560
now it's about 61 percent holding

2390
01:18:39,669 --> 01:18:38,400
steady in the last five to six years

2391
01:18:42,310 --> 01:18:39,679
they haven't done a poll

2392
01:18:44,790 --> 01:18:42,320
recently roswell they won't do one till

2393
01:18:47,270 --> 01:18:44,800
the anniversaries come up like 75 and 80

2394
01:18:51,910 --> 01:18:47,280
because we're an anniversary society now

2395
01:18:55,990 --> 01:18:53,669
well the software looks good i'm looking

2396
01:18:58,229 --> 01:18:56,000
forward to giving it giving it a whirl

2397
01:19:00,149 --> 01:18:58,239
i it might help me get a little more

2398
01:19:03,189 --> 01:19:00,159
organized because i'm a mess i just have

2399
01:19:05,110 --> 01:19:03,199
folders and i copy stuff into folders

2400
01:19:06,390 --> 01:19:05,120
and uh that's not the best way to do

2401
01:19:07,750 --> 01:19:06,400
things for sure

2402
01:19:09,430 --> 01:19:07,760
well i want to explain something real

2403
01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:09,440
quickly uh for both you

2404
01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:11,520
and anybody who's our partners in

2405
01:19:14,550 --> 01:19:12,880
testing this

2406
01:19:16,229 --> 01:19:14,560
there are workflows that i do which i

2407
01:19:17,910 --> 01:19:16,239
think might be of interest to you guys

2408
01:19:19,590 --> 01:19:17,920
there's also stuff that's unique to you

2409
01:19:20,310 --> 01:19:19,600
that no one else cares about and that's

2410
01:19:22,070 --> 01:19:20,320
fine

2411
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:22,080
so what i want to do under the create

2412
01:19:25,270 --> 01:19:23,840
and deploy is you tell me what you want

2413
01:19:25,669 --> 01:19:25,280
this thing to do if everything's in

2414
01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:25,679
there

2415
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:27,840
and you can spit it out in whatever

2416
01:19:31,430 --> 01:19:29,600
formats or combos you want

2417
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:31,440
what is it you want to do and you know i

2418
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:34,000
do slideshow a bunch of different things

2419
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:37,360
so the idea is to with a few clicks

2420
01:19:41,910 --> 01:19:40,080
start you know making sense and and

2421
01:19:43,830 --> 01:19:41,920
putting this data into some form where

2422
01:19:44,310 --> 01:19:43,840
just a few clicks i cannot touches i can

2423
01:19:46,470 --> 01:19:44,320
just

2424
01:19:48,149 --> 01:19:46,480
do whatever i want to do with it i know

2425
01:19:49,750 --> 01:19:48,159
i'm oversimplifying it but

2426
01:19:52,390 --> 01:19:49,760
you know like admin there's admin

2427
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:52,400
functions in there in fact to be honest

2428
01:19:55,750 --> 01:19:54,719
the version of this that you may end up

2429
01:19:57,590 --> 01:19:55,760
with stephen and

2430
01:19:59,350 --> 01:19:57,600
you can probably appreciate this as an

2431
01:20:02,310 --> 01:19:59,360
id guy is there's really

2432
01:20:04,709 --> 01:20:02,320
admin manage browse create and deploy

2433
01:20:06,629 --> 01:20:04,719
admin would be for people like you and i

2434
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:06,639
but i'm just calling it admin now but

2435
01:20:10,070 --> 01:20:08,400
when it comes out to the public version

2436
01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:10,080
one oh this is the alpha

2437
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:12,480
it'll be probably manage you know manage

2438
01:20:15,830 --> 01:20:14,000
browse create deploy

2439
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:15,840
and this is just a thing for keeping

2440
01:20:20,149 --> 01:20:18,000
track of stuff and organizing or

2441
01:20:21,990 --> 01:20:20,159
or is this for like web posting and does

2442
01:20:24,229 --> 01:20:22,000
this post directly to a website

2443
01:20:26,229 --> 01:20:24,239
it can do all of that it's up to you the

2444
01:20:26,709 --> 01:20:26,239
advantage of this software is that you

2445
01:20:29,030 --> 01:20:26,719
can

2446
01:20:31,110 --> 01:20:29,040
take it with you on the road on your

2447
01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:31,120
device smartphone whatever it's got

2448
01:20:35,189 --> 01:20:33,520
you know a tablet and iphone interface a

2449
01:20:37,669 --> 01:20:35,199
smartphone interface

2450
01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:37,679
this is the 21 and a half inch version

2451
01:20:42,310 --> 01:20:38,880
on my

2452
01:20:46,070 --> 01:20:42,320
particular uh you know screen here um

2453
01:20:47,830 --> 01:20:46,080
and then the uh these are just

2454
01:20:49,510 --> 01:20:47,840
random files put in there that i'm

2455
01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:49,520
sending to erica the real

2456
01:20:54,070 --> 01:20:52,560
data files this polaroid you see here is

2457
01:20:55,669 --> 01:20:54,080
an original from the original first

2458
01:20:58,229 --> 01:20:55,679
computer analysis ever done

2459
01:20:59,590 --> 01:20:58,239
uh years ago in the 80s this was part of

2460
01:21:01,189 --> 01:20:59,600
the work i was doing with friedman when

2461
01:21:02,950 --> 01:21:01,199
i was trying to tell them the bad news

2462
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:02,960
about the heflin case

2463
01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:05,760
so um i'm sending some samples with real

2464
01:21:09,110 --> 01:21:06,400
data

2465
01:21:11,430 --> 01:21:09,120
in there to erica and others and then

2466
01:21:13,510 --> 01:21:11,440
they will do what they want with it

2467
01:21:15,189 --> 01:21:13,520
erica i assume will populate it with her

2468
01:21:16,470 --> 01:21:15,199
stuff and then she can keep whatever

2469
01:21:19,189 --> 01:21:16,480
it's her business

2470
01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:19,199
um how did you build this program and

2471
01:21:21,669 --> 01:21:20,000
where's like

2472
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:21,679
could i is can you kind of show us like

2473
01:21:24,390 --> 01:21:23,040
the back end i want to see under the

2474
01:21:27,590 --> 01:21:24,400
hood a little bit

2475
01:21:28,390 --> 01:21:27,600
i don't know well i can't this is a

2476
01:21:33,830 --> 01:21:28,400
screenshot

2477
01:21:35,350 --> 01:21:33,840
of the final thing i'm shipping so i

2478
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:35,360
can't uh

2479
01:21:42,229 --> 01:21:38,880
boot it and stay connected with us

2480
01:21:43,270 --> 01:21:42,239
yeah yeah oh yeah i could put you guys

2481
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:43,280
in touch with you

2482
01:21:46,229 --> 01:21:44,880
yeah i'd like to check that out cal

2483
01:21:46,709 --> 01:21:46,239
that's super interesting what you're

2484
01:21:48,550 --> 01:21:46,719
doing

2485
01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:48,560
and uh just to give you a little

2486
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:50,400
introduction to me and what i'm kind of

2487
01:21:53,750 --> 01:21:51,120
working on

2488
01:21:55,590 --> 01:21:53,760
i'm i put together a team of scientists

2489
01:21:57,350 --> 01:21:55,600
to vet guys like bob lazar

2490
01:21:59,350 --> 01:21:57,360
or mark mccandless or you know any

2491
01:22:01,669 --> 01:21:59,360
number of uh these people who've

2492
01:22:02,790 --> 01:22:01,679
you know claimed to uh worked on you

2493
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:02,800
know projects

2494
01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:04,320
doing anti-gravity for the government we

2495
01:22:06,629 --> 01:22:06,320
found a lot of research and also reports

2496
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:06,639
on

2497
01:22:10,149 --> 01:22:08,880
real you know research anti-gravity kind

2498
01:22:11,830 --> 01:22:10,159
of research that's been done by the

2499
01:22:13,110 --> 01:22:11,840
government and boeing and aerospace

2500
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:13,120
companies and stuff

2501
01:22:16,229 --> 01:22:14,400
and we're kind of reaching out to like

2502
01:22:17,669 --> 01:22:16,239
all these guys and getting them to put

2503
01:22:19,189 --> 01:22:17,679
we're putting together a conference to

2504
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:19,199
talk about anti-gravity

2505
01:22:22,470 --> 01:22:21,120
and to share ideas on you know how we

2506
01:22:22,870 --> 01:22:22,480
build the spaceships of the future

2507
01:22:24,470 --> 01:22:22,880
because

2508
01:22:26,790 --> 01:22:24,480
you know that is important about getting

2509
01:22:28,470 --> 01:22:26,800
off this planet and and you know

2510
01:22:30,629 --> 01:22:28,480
you know the future of humanity is

2511
01:22:33,030 --> 01:22:30,639
really uh what my goal is

2512
01:22:34,149 --> 01:22:33,040
to um kind of merge our technology with

2513
01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:34,159
that of an alien

2514
01:22:37,750 --> 01:22:35,920
species and kind of think about these

2515
01:22:39,910 --> 01:22:37,760
kinds of things in new ways and

2516
01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:39,920
you know maybe roswell isn't the uh

2517
01:22:43,110 --> 01:22:41,920
smoking gun we we hope for but it

2518
01:22:45,590 --> 01:22:43,120
certainly um

2519
01:22:47,590 --> 01:22:45,600
gets my gears turning um about these

2520
01:22:50,310 --> 01:22:47,600
kinds of things with that von neumann

2521
01:22:50,870 --> 01:22:50,320
stuff and von woman probes but um you

2522
01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:50,880
know we

2523
01:22:55,350 --> 01:22:54,159
we certainly uh um i want you to check

2524
01:22:57,189 --> 01:22:55,360
out what we're doing this weekend we

2525
01:22:58,950 --> 01:22:57,199
have apec conference coming up that's

2526
01:23:00,709 --> 01:22:58,960
the alternative propulsion engineering

2527
01:23:02,709 --> 01:23:00,719
conference and we actually have a guy

2528
01:23:03,910 --> 01:23:02,719
from boeing and a guy from airbus

2529
01:23:05,189 --> 01:23:03,920
who are going to be presenting this

2530
01:23:07,270 --> 01:23:05,199
weekend on some of the research that

2531
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:07,280
that has been done by those companies

2532
01:23:11,590 --> 01:23:10,080
into anti-gravity so um cool physique

2533
01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:11,600
how are you doing you're doing a lot of

2534
01:23:15,910 --> 01:23:13,120
you're doing a lot of your own

2535
01:23:17,189 --> 01:23:15,920
experiments yeah we have a lab he's

2536
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:17,199
actually building stuff

2537
01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:18,960
cal like really yeah we're building and

2538
01:23:22,470 --> 01:23:20,880
testing claims and stuff so like

2539
01:23:23,990 --> 01:23:22,480
we're like calling [\h__\h] on all these

2540
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:24,000
people that create this you know here i

2541
01:23:26,950 --> 01:23:25,440
got my flying you know

2542
01:23:28,390 --> 01:23:26,960
thing and this is how you build it okay

2543
01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:28,400
well we're gonna build one and test all

2544
01:23:30,790 --> 01:23:29,920
your theory and like and break it all

2545
01:23:32,709 --> 01:23:30,800
down and throw it on

2546
01:23:34,470 --> 01:23:32,719
a white board and build the thing and

2547
01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:34,480
then show everyone that it doesn't work

2548
01:23:38,149 --> 01:23:36,000
so they don't waste their time and

2549
01:23:39,189 --> 01:23:38,159
you know i always wondered that about

2550
01:23:42,070 --> 01:23:39,199
mark mccandless

2551
01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:42,080
arv he claims that his drawing is like

2552
01:23:44,470 --> 01:23:42,880
100

2553
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:44,480
accurate well then why don't you build a

2554
01:23:48,149 --> 01:23:46,400
scale model of it and show us this thing

2555
01:23:50,790 --> 01:23:48,159
floating around everyone right now

2556
01:23:52,709 --> 01:23:50,800
and are you really awesome yeah i don't

2557
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:52,719
i'm just finding the coils for it last

2558
01:23:55,669 --> 01:23:53,040
night

2559
01:23:56,550 --> 01:23:55,679
those capacitors and copper coils go in

2560
01:23:59,350 --> 01:23:56,560
there

2561
01:24:00,870 --> 01:23:59,360
alien scientists yeah yeah i want to see

2562
01:24:01,669 --> 01:24:00,880
if it works you've got to show me if it

2563
01:24:04,870 --> 01:24:01,679
works

2564
01:24:06,470 --> 01:24:04,880
i i'm betting it doesn't but okay

2565
01:24:07,910 --> 01:24:06,480
hey if it does you'll be the first to

2566
01:24:09,669 --> 01:24:07,920
know we'll see you know

2567
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:09,679
so i want to take a ride in your

2568
01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:11,760
spaceship when you get it work in there

2569
01:24:16,470 --> 01:24:14,480
definitely for sure by the way just so

2570
01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:16,480
you know this really is real this was

2571
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:17,520
the first

2572
01:24:27,030 --> 01:24:24,470
conversation mug here and uh

2573
01:24:27,990 --> 01:24:27,040
you can see here we changed the design

2574
01:24:29,350 --> 01:24:28,000
because

2575
01:24:31,669 --> 01:24:29,360
the print had to be bigger you can see

2576
01:24:32,709 --> 01:24:31,679
meyer's photo and then you can see on

2577
01:24:36,229 --> 01:24:32,719
the back here

2578
01:24:36,709 --> 01:24:36,239
the recreation that was done exactly and

2579
01:24:38,629 --> 01:24:36,719
then

2580
01:24:40,550 --> 01:24:38,639
we found the string of course many many

2581
01:24:42,310 --> 01:24:40,560
years ago

2582
01:24:43,669 --> 01:24:42,320
made the cakes and stuff out of like

2583
01:24:45,669 --> 01:24:43,679
silver things yeah

2584
01:24:47,270 --> 01:24:45,679
yeah we show you how to do that so

2585
01:24:47,990 --> 01:24:47,280
that's why we call them fake ships

2586
01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:48,000
because they are

2587
01:24:51,910 --> 01:24:50,239
fake to call them spaceships is to

2588
01:24:52,870 --> 01:24:51,920
insult real spaceships we don't want to

2589
01:24:55,590 --> 01:24:52,880
do that

2590
01:24:56,790 --> 01:24:55,600
right in fact uh if they can do

2591
01:24:58,070 --> 01:24:56,800
interstellar

2592
01:24:59,990 --> 01:24:58,080
warp drive then they probably have

2593
01:25:02,310 --> 01:25:00,000
invisibility cloaks so

2594
01:25:03,189 --> 01:25:02,320
no it's more warped drive warped minded

2595
01:25:06,229 --> 01:25:03,199
billy meyer

2596
01:25:08,149 --> 01:25:06,239
the guy said oh yeah yeah this is here

2597
01:25:10,229 --> 01:25:08,159
here's an excellent question for both of

2598
01:25:12,229 --> 01:25:10,239
you guys i don't know if either of you

2599
01:25:15,030 --> 01:25:12,239
saw the uh walter bosley

2600
01:25:17,590 --> 01:25:15,040
uh episode but and and uh every time i

2601
01:25:20,790 --> 01:25:17,600
try to explain his theory on roswell

2602
01:25:23,110 --> 01:25:20,800
i i just mangle it but he

2603
01:25:24,709 --> 01:25:23,120
he believes that what happened at

2604
01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:24,719
roswell may have been

2605
01:25:28,430 --> 01:25:26,880
uh project paper clip scientists and

2606
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:28,440
early rocket

2607
01:25:32,629 --> 01:25:31,120
spacecraft tests that came down and that

2608
01:25:33,750 --> 01:25:32,639
was the reason for the cover up and the

2609
01:25:34,950 --> 01:25:33,760
secrecy

2610
01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:34,960
and things like that what do you guys

2611
01:25:39,510 --> 01:25:37,120
think of that potential theory

2612
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:39,520
um i i don't believe it's true and i'll

2613
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:40,480
tell you why

2614
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:43,199
do you remember the ghost rockets and

2615
01:25:47,030 --> 01:25:46,080
the scandinavian ufo mysteries of 1946

2616
01:25:48,870 --> 01:25:47,040
and 47.

2617
01:25:50,550 --> 01:25:48,880
you remember those reports in that area

2618
01:25:51,510 --> 01:25:50,560
of the world yeah i remember hearing

2619
01:25:53,669 --> 01:25:51,520
about it

2620
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:53,679
okay there were a lot of them we now

2621
01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:56,080
know only because the soviet union

2622
01:26:00,629 --> 01:25:57,920
imploded in 1991

2623
01:26:02,390 --> 01:26:00,639
that those were all russian tests they

2624
01:26:03,189 --> 01:26:02,400
had a bunch of stuff they captured up

2625
01:26:05,189 --> 01:26:03,199
there

2626
01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:05,199
and were flying all kinds of stuff and

2627
01:26:09,430 --> 01:26:07,440
kept it secret

2628
01:26:10,629 --> 01:26:09,440
again i can only tell you what i looked

2629
01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:10,639
at when i had

2630
01:26:14,229 --> 01:26:12,480
when i was given the honor of writing

2631
01:26:15,110 --> 01:26:14,239
the classified view graph tracking

2632
01:26:17,830 --> 01:26:15,120
system

2633
01:26:19,510 --> 01:26:17,840
i had a real index of real stuff uh

2634
01:26:21,270 --> 01:26:19,520
because i had to test the real thing we

2635
01:26:22,390 --> 01:26:21,280
couldn't use simulated data beyond a

2636
01:26:24,870 --> 01:26:22,400
certain point

2637
01:26:26,550 --> 01:26:24,880
and as far as i know all of the secret

2638
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:26,560
stuff that was done with paperclip

2639
01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:27,920
paperclip had two main

2640
01:26:34,070 --> 01:26:30,960
levels of compartmentalization at the

2641
01:26:36,629 --> 01:26:34,080
high level there was the public

2642
01:26:37,910 --> 01:26:36,639
way to handle and spin paperclip because

2643
01:26:40,390 --> 01:26:37,920
it was politically

2644
01:26:42,229 --> 01:26:40,400
um wrong for one we're supposed to be

2645
01:26:44,629 --> 01:26:42,239
the moral superpower right

2646
01:26:45,910 --> 01:26:44,639
but yet we are letting nazis and former

2647
01:26:47,669 --> 01:26:45,920
members of the ss

2648
01:26:49,669 --> 01:26:47,679
help us because we want to beat the

2649
01:26:51,430 --> 01:26:49,679
russians forget who they killed or what

2650
01:26:54,310 --> 01:26:51,440
they did or they were part of a

2651
01:26:55,350 --> 01:26:54,320
genocidal regime and then there were the

2652
01:26:58,550 --> 01:26:55,360
scientists

2653
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:58,560
in paperclip who were very very useful

2654
01:27:02,310 --> 01:27:01,040
ironically one is up the hill here at

2655
01:27:05,110 --> 01:27:02,320
the university

2656
01:27:05,910 --> 01:27:05,120
he submitted a paper he submitted a

2657
01:27:08,229 --> 01:27:05,920
paper

2658
01:27:09,510 --> 01:27:08,239
at eric davis's request for the a-tip

2659
01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:09,520
project it's a complete

2660
01:27:15,669 --> 01:27:13,199
crank thing but he did and i just had to

2661
01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:15,679
shake my head at that because it turns

2662
01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:17,280
out that the former chief scientist for

2663
01:27:21,110 --> 01:27:18,400
area 51

2664
01:27:21,750 --> 01:27:21,120
his neighbors with harry reid wow what a

2665
01:27:24,950 --> 01:27:21,760
small world

2666
01:27:25,270 --> 01:27:24,960
in nevada yeah because can i can i stop

2667
01:27:28,310 --> 01:27:25,280
this

2668
01:27:30,070 --> 01:27:28,320
share now then do you want to

2669
01:27:32,790 --> 01:27:30,080
oh yeah yeah i'm sorry okay i'll take

2670
01:27:34,870 --> 01:27:32,800
that down so we get yeah so

2671
01:27:36,550 --> 01:27:34,880
you know i i don't even know where to go

2672
01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:36,560
from here i guess

2673
01:27:40,550 --> 01:27:39,120
you know uh like i said the biggest

2674
01:27:42,070 --> 01:27:40,560
problem that i have with little girls

2675
01:27:42,870 --> 01:27:42,080
i'm gonna read cal's book he's gonna

2676
01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:42,880
send it to me

2677
01:27:49,590 --> 01:27:46,400
and we'll pick it up after that when i

2678
01:27:51,590 --> 01:27:49,600
have some notes for him so yeah

2679
01:27:53,189 --> 01:27:51,600
you know yeah and listen i'm glad maybe

2680
01:27:56,390 --> 01:27:53,199
honestly that we can have

2681
01:27:58,229 --> 01:27:56,400
people that can just civilly disagree

2682
01:27:59,830 --> 01:27:58,239
and it doesn't turn into like some kind

2683
01:28:01,590 --> 01:27:59,840
of shouting match because we're all

2684
01:28:03,990 --> 01:28:01,600
interested and we want to all get to the

2685
01:28:05,510 --> 01:28:04,000
truth cal has his own perspective and i

2686
01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:05,520
know that jeremy's been

2687
01:28:09,750 --> 01:28:07,920
really digging into the material side of

2688
01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:09,760
things that's what his interest is

2689
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:11,600
jeremy wants to get his hands on that

2690
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:14,400
stuff yeah i want it in my lab and

2691
01:28:18,149 --> 01:28:16,639
i don't think uh clifford mahouty or um

2692
01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:18,159
who's the other guy that goes out into

2693
01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:19,920
the desert and collects the roswell he

2694
01:28:24,310 --> 01:28:22,080
does the archaeological digs out there

2695
01:28:25,830 --> 01:28:24,320
you know i'm talking about cal the um

2696
01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:25,840
well good luck with any all right good

2697
01:28:28,149 --> 01:28:26,639
luck with that

2698
01:28:29,990 --> 01:28:28,159
they have a bunch of tin foil from what

2699
01:28:31,910 --> 01:28:30,000
i what they showed me when i met the guy

2700
01:28:34,790 --> 01:28:31,920
in 2009 in albuquerque

2701
01:28:36,310 --> 01:28:34,800
there are cans from 1932 that got buried

2702
01:28:38,550 --> 01:28:36,320
in the desert yeah

2703
01:28:40,550 --> 01:28:38,560
but unfortunately you know it's just

2704
01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:40,560
it's yeah it is all stories and it's

2705
01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:42,080
it i don't see any actionable

2706
01:28:45,990 --> 01:28:43,920
intelligence or anything scientific that

2707
01:28:46,709 --> 01:28:46,000
i could really move forward on as of yet

2708
01:28:50,310 --> 01:28:46,719
unless they

2709
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:50,320
really like do a whole overview of that

2710
01:28:53,830 --> 01:28:51,360
organization and

2711
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:53,840
and stuff but again that's not likely to

2712
01:28:57,830 --> 01:28:54,480
happen and

2713
01:28:58,470 --> 01:28:57,840
and uh and you know just it's just the

2714
01:29:01,990 --> 01:28:58,480
way it is

2715
01:29:02,390 --> 01:29:02,000
man but yeah i i want to check out cal's

2716
01:29:05,110 --> 01:29:02,400
book

2717
01:29:05,910 --> 01:29:05,120
and um and uh you should definitely get

2718
01:29:08,709 --> 01:29:05,920
in touch with me

2719
01:29:10,229 --> 01:29:08,719
after the show yeah i'm willing to work

2720
01:29:12,310 --> 01:29:10,239
with anybody who is

2721
01:29:13,669 --> 01:29:12,320
the logical person to work with uh i've

2722
01:29:15,030 --> 01:29:13,679
worked with people who are

2723
01:29:17,590 --> 01:29:15,040
you know i was friends with wendell

2724
01:29:20,149 --> 01:29:17,600
stephen but to be honest with this

2725
01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:20,159
with everyone what came between us was i

2726
01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:21,840
was the journalist who broke the story

2727
01:29:24,070 --> 01:29:22,320
about

2728
01:29:26,870 --> 01:29:24,080
his child molestation problems and he

2729
01:29:29,110 --> 01:29:26,880
went to prison for it so

2730
01:29:31,430 --> 01:29:29,120
yeah kind of kind of blew a hole in his

2731
01:29:33,270 --> 01:29:31,440
credibility there mr corp

2732
01:29:35,189 --> 01:29:33,280
well it's just not going to be friends

2733
01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:35,199
with the child molester i'm sorry i draw

2734
01:29:37,669 --> 01:29:37,280
a line at least one line somewhere and

2735
01:29:40,229 --> 01:29:37,679
um

2736
01:29:42,149 --> 01:29:40,239
you know that's kind of obvious and uh a

2737
01:29:44,310 --> 01:29:42,159
lot of people don't talk about that part

2738
01:29:46,310 --> 01:29:44,320
of him because it's an inconvenient

2739
01:29:49,590 --> 01:29:46,320
truth to quote al gore

2740
01:29:50,390 --> 01:29:49,600
i guess but anyway um so again i'll work

2741
01:29:52,629 --> 01:29:50,400
with anybody

2742
01:29:56,550 --> 01:29:52,639
even if i don't like the person to in a

2743
01:29:59,189 --> 01:29:56,560
common place to find the truth

2744
01:29:59,910 --> 01:29:59,199
yeah come on bro come on bro i'm sure

2745
01:30:02,229 --> 01:29:59,920
you would like

2746
01:30:03,990 --> 01:30:02,239
him he's like he talks all this science

2747
01:30:07,430 --> 01:30:04,000
stuff that'll make your brain hurt

2748
01:30:09,590 --> 01:30:07,440
like you're science i'm just

2749
01:30:11,350 --> 01:30:09,600
kidding i'm just busting protons and

2750
01:30:14,149 --> 01:30:11,360
neutrons and

2751
01:30:16,229 --> 01:30:14,159
all this [\h__\h] and my brain hurts no it's

2752
01:30:17,430 --> 01:30:16,239
it's not worth wasting electrons on

2753
01:30:19,830 --> 01:30:17,440
you know it's one of my favorite

2754
01:30:21,110 --> 01:30:19,840
expressions then i do get people to say

2755
01:30:24,950 --> 01:30:21,120
what's an electrons

2756
01:30:26,229 --> 01:30:24,960
never mind but anyway so yeah well i

2757
01:30:27,669 --> 01:30:26,239
think we're going to wrap it up here i

2758
01:30:30,149 --> 01:30:27,679
don't want to keep you guys too much

2759
01:30:31,030 --> 01:30:30,159
longer uh how long was this show

2760
01:30:33,030 --> 01:30:31,040
supposed to be

2761
01:30:34,310 --> 01:30:33,040
you know i didn't have a set time but

2762
01:30:39,350 --> 01:30:34,320
we're at 90 minutes

2763
01:30:45,110 --> 01:30:41,110
that's all the goldfish out there the

2764
01:30:48,629 --> 01:30:46,950
if i can just bring up something i want

2765
01:30:49,750 --> 01:30:48,639
everyone to be clear on what the ufo

2766
01:30:52,790 --> 01:30:49,760
comp software is

2767
01:30:53,430 --> 01:30:52,800
and is not i am releasing it tonight and

2768
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:53,440
tomorrow

2769
01:30:58,870 --> 01:30:56,400
to a small group of people who will beat

2770
01:31:00,709 --> 01:30:58,880
it up and populate it with real data

2771
01:31:01,990 --> 01:31:00,719
people who are everything from ordinary

2772
01:31:05,430 --> 01:31:02,000
users to it

2773
01:31:08,310 --> 01:31:05,440
guys and i want the honest truth

2774
01:31:09,990 --> 01:31:08,320
i then want them to think in a different

2775
01:31:11,510 --> 01:31:10,000
way because hopefully the software will

2776
01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:11,520
get them to think about doing things a

2777
01:31:14,790 --> 01:31:12,480
bit differently

2778
01:31:15,990 --> 01:31:14,800
and say well how about a workflow that

2779
01:31:19,030 --> 01:31:16,000
helps me get xyz

2780
01:31:20,790 --> 01:31:19,040
done i'll take a look at that and i'll

2781
01:31:22,870 --> 01:31:20,800
talk to roy if i need to bug him and say

2782
01:31:25,430 --> 01:31:22,880
let's let's try to work this on it i'll

2783
01:31:27,910 --> 01:31:25,440
involve roy roy builds his own stuff too

2784
01:31:29,830 --> 01:31:27,920
roy built his first uh

2785
01:31:31,350 --> 01:31:29,840
essential airplane i mean the guy's a

2786
01:31:33,910 --> 01:31:31,360
genius he's he's he's

2787
01:31:34,629 --> 01:31:33,920
like a real tony stark type guy except

2788
01:31:36,390 --> 01:31:34,639
he's real

2789
01:31:38,390 --> 01:31:36,400
reminds me of some of the stuff you've

2790
01:31:39,350 --> 01:31:38,400
said so i can't wait to get you guys

2791
01:31:40,790 --> 01:31:39,360
talking

2792
01:31:42,950 --> 01:31:40,800
and of course stephen you've heard of

2793
01:31:46,070 --> 01:31:42,960
roy you'll be in touch soon

2794
01:31:48,629 --> 01:31:46,080
yeah yeah erica have the 27-inch

2795
01:31:49,510 --> 01:31:48,639
imac screen so so i have to scale up

2796
01:31:50,709 --> 01:31:49,520
everything

2797
01:31:52,390 --> 01:31:50,719
but i'll have to have you take

2798
01:31:53,750 --> 01:31:52,400
screenshots and send them back to me so

2799
01:31:56,149 --> 01:31:53,760
i can see what to do with that extra

2800
01:31:57,990 --> 01:31:56,159
real estate which i don't have

2801
01:31:59,590 --> 01:31:58,000
i love seeing the ufo ufocom system on

2802
01:32:00,550 --> 01:31:59,600
all three monitors it's got a steady

2803
01:32:02,149 --> 01:32:00,560
module

2804
01:32:03,669 --> 01:32:02,159
which i'll show later which talks about

2805
01:32:05,430 --> 01:32:03,679
the seti stuff so

2806
01:32:06,790 --> 01:32:05,440
in answer to your question this can be a

2807
01:32:08,470 --> 01:32:06,800
standalone app

2808
01:32:09,990 --> 01:32:08,480
that you can take your stuff with you in

2809
01:32:11,430 --> 01:32:10,000
the field on the road anywhere you need

2810
01:32:13,669 --> 01:32:11,440
to go

2811
01:32:14,870 --> 01:32:13,679
or you can have it be a front end to any

2812
01:32:17,110 --> 01:32:14,880
back end

2813
01:32:18,149 --> 01:32:17,120
you could even use it as simple gui to

2814
01:32:20,310 --> 01:32:18,159
some sql

2815
01:32:22,149 --> 01:32:20,320
god-awful nightmare database on the back

2816
01:32:24,229 --> 01:32:22,159
end you know

2817
01:32:27,350 --> 01:32:24,239
it runs on windows it runs on mac it

2818
01:32:29,750 --> 01:32:27,360
runs on ios until it is frozen and

2819
01:32:32,950 --> 01:32:29,760
released as one of for the public free

2820
01:32:33,510 --> 01:32:32,960
by the way and cases will be modules in

2821
01:32:38,229 --> 01:32:33,520
it

2822
01:32:39,590 --> 01:32:38,239
we know how the other platforms play

2823
01:32:40,950 --> 01:32:39,600
because then it'll be a formality to

2824
01:32:43,830 --> 01:32:40,960
port it to android

2825
01:32:45,510 --> 01:32:43,840
but absolutely web-based it has a dna in

2826
01:32:48,470 --> 01:32:45,520
it is in distributed network

2827
01:32:50,390 --> 01:32:48,480
architecture it uses the filemaker

2828
01:32:53,430 --> 01:32:50,400
engine by apple claris

2829
01:32:54,390 --> 01:32:53,440
uh so used to work at that company many

2830
01:32:57,270 --> 01:32:54,400
years ago

2831
01:32:58,709 --> 01:32:57,280
so um you know it's it's just wonderful

2832
01:33:01,430 --> 01:32:58,719
and what's good is that

2833
01:33:03,270 --> 01:33:01,440
um you know it's just great to take

2834
01:33:05,030 --> 01:33:03,280
these pieces of these other frankenstein

2835
01:33:06,629 --> 01:33:05,040
databases like terrorist tracker and

2836
01:33:08,790 --> 01:33:06,639
stick it in there and say okay change it

2837
01:33:11,830 --> 01:33:08,800
from al qaeda to newfound or whatever

2838
01:33:14,550 --> 01:33:11,840
and you know same same idea you know

2839
01:33:15,590 --> 01:33:14,560
and re-recon and to tailor it for ufo

2840
01:33:18,870 --> 01:33:15,600
research

2841
01:33:20,470 --> 01:33:18,880
so yeah i i have a whole database team

2842
01:33:22,470 --> 01:33:20,480
i'm working on we've collected

2843
01:33:23,990 --> 01:33:22,480
we've been like compiling databases and

2844
01:33:26,709 --> 01:33:24,000
just archived material on

2845
01:33:28,070 --> 01:33:26,719
like government and private anti-gravity

2846
01:33:29,910 --> 01:33:28,080
research or any kind of

2847
01:33:32,229 --> 01:33:29,920
really research related to you know

2848
01:33:33,750 --> 01:33:32,239
subjects any any way in form

2849
01:33:34,950 --> 01:33:33,760
kind of related that so it'd be cool to

2850
01:33:35,830 --> 01:33:34,960
hook you up with some of the people on

2851
01:33:37,669 --> 01:33:35,840
my team and

2852
01:33:39,590 --> 01:33:37,679
see if we could be there might be some

2853
01:33:41,350 --> 01:33:39,600
room for collaboration there

2854
01:33:42,870 --> 01:33:41,360
yeah the uh just so you know the next

2855
01:33:43,830 --> 01:33:42,880
phase of this other than getting it to

2856
01:33:45,510 --> 01:33:43,840
the few

2857
01:33:47,270 --> 01:33:45,520
key people is i've got to contact others

2858
01:33:47,990 --> 01:33:47,280
like jen aldrich i've known him for many

2859
01:33:49,590 --> 01:33:48,000
years

2860
01:33:52,149 --> 01:33:49,600
we've never really directly worked on

2861
01:33:53,830 --> 01:33:52,159
things together we respect each other

2862
01:33:55,990 --> 01:33:53,840
he of course is involved in the

2863
01:33:58,709 --> 01:33:56,000
digitization archive project and

2864
01:33:59,510 --> 01:33:58,719
there's a uh you know isaac coy in

2865
01:34:02,709 --> 01:33:59,520
england

2866
01:34:05,590 --> 01:34:02,719
i need to talk to him because being a

2867
01:34:06,310 --> 01:34:05,600
library sciences uh outstanding award

2868
01:34:08,310 --> 01:34:06,320
recipient

2869
01:34:10,550 --> 01:34:08,320
from when i was a little boy i love this

2870
01:34:12,629 --> 01:34:10,560
stuff we have to come up with taxonomies

2871
01:34:13,669 --> 01:34:12,639
metadata how to handle uh naming

2872
01:34:16,310 --> 01:34:13,679
conventions

2873
01:34:16,870 --> 01:34:16,320
oh absolutely this is a complex yeah and

2874
01:34:18,470 --> 01:34:16,880
it it

2875
01:34:20,149 --> 01:34:18,480
and as you know some of it's determined

2876
01:34:21,750 --> 01:34:20,159
by the data um

2877
01:34:23,030 --> 01:34:21,760
you know well i don't have a feel for

2878
01:34:24,709 --> 01:34:23,040
that but i got this kind of piece of

2879
01:34:27,510 --> 01:34:24,719
data so now i need that

2880
01:34:28,629 --> 01:34:27,520
so um i was shocked when we started

2881
01:34:30,550 --> 01:34:28,639
doing nut shock but

2882
01:34:31,669 --> 01:34:30,560
it was like okay i understand why it's

2883
01:34:34,310 --> 01:34:31,679
saying that

2884
01:34:34,870 --> 01:34:34,320
we started doing the the uh researchers

2885
01:34:36,790 --> 01:34:34,880
uh

2886
01:34:38,229 --> 01:34:36,800
and some of them did make up stuff

2887
01:34:39,990 --> 01:34:38,239
invented people who don't

2888
01:34:42,070 --> 01:34:40,000
really exist like catholic nuns and

2889
01:34:44,470 --> 01:34:42,080
others

2890
01:34:45,990 --> 01:34:44,480
to catch them using the same lingo in

2891
01:34:47,350 --> 01:34:46,000
the descriptions of what the witness

2892
01:34:49,910 --> 01:34:47,360
supposedly said

2893
01:34:51,109 --> 01:34:49,920
um that was interesting because it does

2894
01:34:54,070 --> 01:34:51,119
show that you know

2895
01:34:55,669 --> 01:34:54,080
they're busted and and that needs to be

2896
01:34:59,189 --> 01:34:55,679
made out into the public

2897
01:35:00,709 --> 01:34:59,199
and so um we want to uh work with

2898
01:35:02,709 --> 01:35:00,719
you could like plug lord of the rings in

2899
01:35:03,590 --> 01:35:02,719
there and find all the fake data points

2900
01:35:05,189 --> 01:35:03,600
and then like

2901
01:35:06,629 --> 01:35:05,199
use it to like correct your story you

2902
01:35:09,030 --> 01:35:06,639
know if like you plugged your like

2903
01:35:10,070 --> 01:35:09,040
you know your your your novel in there

2904
01:35:13,109 --> 01:35:10,080
you know

2905
01:35:15,750 --> 01:35:13,119
well on the wings real quickly i'm

2906
01:35:17,109 --> 01:35:15,760
shocked at people who don't understand

2907
01:35:18,950 --> 01:35:17,119
that it's essentially

2908
01:35:21,109 --> 01:35:18,960
uh i'm sorry game of thrones is

2909
01:35:23,910 --> 01:35:21,119
essentially lord of the rings redone

2910
01:35:24,870 --> 01:35:23,920
uh you if you tell a game of thrones

2911
01:35:27,030 --> 01:35:24,880
fanatic that

2912
01:35:27,910 --> 01:35:27,040
they'll want to you know knife you or

2913
01:35:30,550 --> 01:35:27,920
sword you like

2914
01:35:32,950 --> 01:35:30,560
nothing about that but you know i'm

2915
01:35:36,470 --> 01:35:34,629
maybe you can use the match-ups you know

2916
01:35:37,830 --> 01:35:36,480
plug in all the game of thrones data

2917
01:35:40,149 --> 01:35:37,840
with all the lord of the rings and see

2918
01:35:43,510 --> 01:35:40,159
if it can actually tell the difference

2919
01:35:45,109 --> 01:35:43,520
well he was inspired by it but

2920
01:35:47,030 --> 01:35:45,119
you know just like he doesn't use george

2921
01:35:48,709 --> 01:35:47,040
r martin he's rr martin because the

2922
01:35:50,709 --> 01:35:48,719
other george martin is way more famous

2923
01:35:51,830 --> 01:35:50,719
you know the beatles producer you know

2924
01:35:54,870 --> 01:35:51,840
so anyway

2925
01:35:56,470 --> 01:35:54,880
um so uh i'll talk to jan

2926
01:35:57,990 --> 01:35:56,480
and find out what they're doing they

2927
01:35:59,750 --> 01:35:58,000
have their own database projects and the

2928
01:36:01,750 --> 01:35:59,760
idea is to get us all on the same page

2929
01:36:03,590 --> 01:36:01,760
that's where this is leading to yeah

2930
01:36:06,870 --> 01:36:03,600
once we come up with a work

2931
01:36:08,310 --> 01:36:06,880
document that everyone will sign off on

2932
01:36:09,910 --> 01:36:08,320
everyone hopefully will then say okay

2933
01:36:11,270 --> 01:36:09,920
i'm going to name my files this way just

2934
01:36:12,390 --> 01:36:11,280
like they do just like they do the

2935
01:36:13,990 --> 01:36:12,400
taxonomies

2936
01:36:16,629 --> 01:36:14,000
and then we'll take a look at final

2937
01:36:19,430 --> 01:36:16,639
workflows and then once we lock it down

2938
01:36:21,350 --> 01:36:19,440
i will release it to the public free and

2939
01:36:22,070 --> 01:36:21,360
it's got buttons for sightings radar

2940
01:36:25,910 --> 01:36:22,080
cases

2941
01:36:29,189 --> 01:36:25,920
research

2942
01:36:31,430 --> 01:36:29,199
archives uh electromagnetic cases

2943
01:36:32,709 --> 01:36:31,440
physical trace cases all the categories

2944
01:36:34,709 --> 01:36:32,719
of evidence because

2945
01:36:36,070 --> 01:36:34,719
many years ago as a kid and this isn't

2946
01:36:38,790 --> 01:36:36,080
the main thing and it's

2947
01:36:40,229 --> 01:36:38,800
with uh that you know this close

2948
01:36:41,030 --> 01:36:40,239
encounter first second third kind

2949
01:36:43,910 --> 01:36:41,040
doesn't go

2950
01:36:45,830 --> 01:36:43,920
far enough okay it needs to be more but

2951
01:36:47,510 --> 01:36:45,840
he told me that that was just a stop to

2952
01:36:49,510 --> 01:36:47,520
hollywood and he went with the money

2953
01:36:51,350 --> 01:36:49,520
fine i understand that then he tried to

2954
01:36:52,149 --> 01:36:51,360
do fourth and fifth kind it's like no no

2955
01:36:54,629 --> 01:36:52,159
you need to break

2956
01:36:55,910 --> 01:36:54,639
that table of categories with just check

2957
01:36:58,709 --> 01:36:55,920
marks in each box

2958
01:37:00,950 --> 01:36:58,719
exactly so i had invented the six

2959
01:37:04,149 --> 01:37:00,960
category system where basically

2960
01:37:06,310 --> 01:37:04,159
uh sightings were also photographs and

2961
01:37:07,189 --> 01:37:06,320
movies taken were photographs because

2962
01:37:09,270 --> 01:37:07,199
photographs are

2963
01:37:10,550 --> 01:37:09,280
a type of sighting they supposedly have

2964
01:37:12,470 --> 01:37:10,560
a piece of evidence to back up the

2965
01:37:14,790 --> 01:37:12,480
sighting the photo if it's real

2966
01:37:16,149 --> 01:37:14,800
but it's still a sighting but if i say

2967
01:37:17,510 --> 01:37:16,159
close encounter the first kind you have

2968
01:37:18,950 --> 01:37:17,520
no idea whether it's a sighting

2969
01:37:20,310 --> 01:37:18,960
whether it's a photo whether i didn't

2970
01:37:21,590 --> 01:37:20,320
see anything something showed up on the

2971
01:37:24,629 --> 01:37:21,600
film there's those

2972
01:37:25,109 --> 01:37:24,639
cases uh so i broke this all down years

2973
01:37:28,709 --> 01:37:25,119
ago

2974
01:37:31,109 --> 01:37:28,719
had massive card index files then

2975
01:37:31,830 --> 01:37:31,119
got into computers finally when i went

2976
01:37:34,629 --> 01:37:31,840
to apple

2977
01:37:35,350 --> 01:37:34,639
started on atari gave apro and other

2978
01:37:37,350 --> 01:37:35,360
people

2979
01:37:38,950 --> 01:37:37,360
computers over the years and then

2980
01:37:39,910 --> 01:37:38,960
quietly helped them over the years

2981
01:37:43,109 --> 01:37:39,920
secretly

2982
01:37:45,430 --> 01:37:43,119
on some of this stuff uh you know like

2983
01:37:46,149 --> 01:37:45,440
some of the early roswell researchers

2984
01:37:49,669 --> 01:37:46,159
and

2985
01:37:50,550 --> 01:37:49,679
saying well now there's all this stuff

2986
01:37:53,350 --> 01:37:50,560
here

2987
01:37:54,470 --> 01:37:53,360
modern technology smartphones as far as

2988
01:37:57,669 --> 01:37:54,480
i am concerned

2989
01:37:59,910 --> 01:37:57,679
every smartphone is a potential uh mars

2990
01:38:00,790 --> 01:37:59,920
lander explorer theoretically if ufo's

2991
01:38:02,390 --> 01:38:00,800
flying around

2992
01:38:03,830 --> 01:38:02,400
where's all the bazillion smartphone

2993
01:38:06,149 --> 01:38:03,840
photos that should be there if there's

2994
01:38:08,870 --> 01:38:06,159
cause and effect

2995
01:38:09,590 --> 01:38:08,880
who knows they're not there so we need

2996
01:38:11,189 --> 01:38:09,600
something where

2997
01:38:13,109 --> 01:38:11,199
everybody can put all the data in a

2998
01:38:14,070 --> 01:38:13,119
platform agree that this is how we

2999
01:38:15,910 --> 01:38:14,080
handle it

3000
01:38:18,070 --> 01:38:15,920
and the ufology will separate from the

3001
01:38:20,390 --> 01:38:18,080
ethology as that process

3002
01:38:22,550 --> 01:38:20,400
unfold i think we also need an

3003
01:38:23,910 --> 01:38:22,560
alexandria type project where you know

3004
01:38:25,510 --> 01:38:23,920
like where they're trying to digitize

3005
01:38:26,870 --> 01:38:25,520
all these books or texts and you know

3006
01:38:28,470 --> 01:38:26,880
and documents and stuff

3007
01:38:30,709 --> 01:38:28,480
because i guess michael schratt has one

3008
01:38:32,470 --> 01:38:30,719
of the largest ufo databases

3009
01:38:34,470 --> 01:38:32,480
in the planet apparently he's got just

3010
01:38:35,990 --> 01:38:34,480
warehouses full of documents he's like

3011
01:38:38,390 --> 01:38:36,000
accumulated every

3012
01:38:40,149 --> 01:38:38,400
major database that's ever existed he's

3013
01:38:41,350 --> 01:38:40,159
like he's like really into this so that

3014
01:38:43,990 --> 01:38:41,360
would be great to get

3015
01:38:45,350 --> 01:38:44,000
if we could get his files with my like

3016
01:38:47,430 --> 01:38:45,360
scientific database and

3017
01:38:49,189 --> 01:38:47,440
and and put them on like a place yeah

3018
01:38:50,950 --> 01:38:49,199
funnel it all in one place i would love

3019
01:38:52,229 --> 01:38:50,960
to see some of that stuff i know schratz

3020
01:38:54,310 --> 01:38:52,239
got a huge

3021
01:38:55,590 --> 01:38:54,320
monster collection of stuff like of

3022
01:39:00,149 --> 01:38:55,600
every

3023
01:39:01,750 --> 01:39:00,159
coordinated effort of a

3024
01:39:03,270 --> 01:39:01,760
you know a lot of people but you know

3025
01:39:04,870 --> 01:39:03,280
the payoff would be worth it because

3026
01:39:05,830 --> 01:39:04,880
there's so many people in the community

3027
01:39:07,669 --> 01:39:05,840
that would

3028
01:39:09,270 --> 01:39:07,679
you know that that need we know they

3029
01:39:11,669 --> 01:39:09,280
need this is what needs to happen this

3030
01:39:14,390 --> 01:39:11,679
is the next step for ufology

3031
01:39:15,350 --> 01:39:14,400
right and also um you've got to know and

3032
01:39:17,350 --> 01:39:15,360
put the data

3033
01:39:18,629 --> 01:39:17,360
under one virtual house so to speak but

3034
01:39:20,709 --> 01:39:18,639
then you've got to mine it

3035
01:39:21,669 --> 01:39:20,719
and you've got to mine it properly and

3036
01:39:23,910 --> 01:39:21,679
that's where the fun

3037
01:39:25,910 --> 01:39:23,920
begins because one thing i'm not going

3038
01:39:27,189 --> 01:39:25,920
to do is open this up to everybody right

3039
01:39:27,830 --> 01:39:27,199
out the gate because what's going to

3040
01:39:29,669 --> 01:39:27,840
happen

3041
01:39:31,990 --> 01:39:29,679
is there's going to be people like mikey

3042
01:39:33,830 --> 01:39:32,000
horn type who will sit there and say oh

3043
01:39:35,510 --> 01:39:33,840
i can use the same function to go lie to

3044
01:39:38,310 --> 01:39:35,520
people and rip them off you know

3045
01:39:38,870 --> 01:39:38,320
no oh what i'm going to do is again is

3046
01:39:40,709 --> 01:39:38,880
work

3047
01:39:43,109 --> 01:39:40,719
mikey you're not welcome in our alpha

3048
01:39:44,149 --> 01:39:43,119
test mikey horn he watches every show by

3049
01:39:46,709 --> 01:39:44,159
the way he watches

3050
01:39:48,790 --> 01:39:46,719
every show here so hi mikey horn well

3051
01:39:50,870 --> 01:39:48,800
there is a billy meyer module coming out

3052
01:39:52,629 --> 01:39:50,880
you know

3053
01:39:54,470 --> 01:39:52,639
everyone's gonna have the laser gun i

3054
01:39:55,430 --> 01:39:54,480
love the laser gun they landed with a

3055
01:39:58,709 --> 01:39:55,440
laser gun

3056
01:40:01,750 --> 01:39:58,719
you know that right yeah i know

3057
01:40:04,950 --> 01:40:01,760
yeah yeah from the 70s sure sure

3058
01:40:06,070 --> 01:40:04,960
yeah but uh yeah um i as i recall that

3059
01:40:10,229 --> 01:40:06,080
was a mannequin

3060
01:40:11,830 --> 01:40:10,239
holding it uh langdon noticed the hand

3061
01:40:15,189 --> 01:40:11,840
issue wasn't quite

3062
01:40:16,709 --> 01:40:15,199
uh right but who knows

3063
01:40:18,550 --> 01:40:16,719
this has been fun guys and i want to

3064
01:40:21,510 --> 01:40:18,560
thank you both for doing this and uh

3065
01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:21,520
you know maybe we have both i think i

3066
01:40:25,910 --> 01:40:23,280
learned a lot tonight and i'm glad to

3067
01:40:27,350 --> 01:40:25,920
know both of you guys it's good to get

3068
01:40:30,310 --> 01:40:27,360
to talk to you

3069
01:40:31,109 --> 01:40:30,320
and uh if you're open to this why don't

3070
01:40:33,030 --> 01:40:31,119
we do this

3071
01:40:34,870 --> 01:40:33,040
he hasn't seen the book and it doesn't

3072
01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:34,880
matter that i wrote it it's just a set

3073
01:40:38,310 --> 01:40:36,400
of data that goes back

3074
01:40:40,229 --> 01:40:38,320
to the old times that anybody should

3075
01:40:42,390 --> 01:40:40,239
know is foundational

3076
01:40:44,229 --> 01:40:42,400
have him go through it and you know

3077
01:40:45,030 --> 01:40:44,239
let's keep each other update if he's got

3078
01:40:47,189 --> 01:40:45,040
something that

3079
01:40:49,270 --> 01:40:47,199
i'm wrong i'll say in fact i'll make you

3080
01:40:49,990 --> 01:40:49,280
this promise if i'm wrong on roswell i

3081
01:40:53,030 --> 01:40:50,000
promise you i'll come

3082
01:40:54,470 --> 01:40:53,040
on your show first and say i'm wrong

3083
01:40:56,149 --> 01:40:54,480
you know because i don't have an ego in

3084
01:40:58,950 --> 01:40:56,159
this i want the truth

3085
01:41:00,629 --> 01:40:58,960
and that's true i just i just try to

3086
01:41:02,629 --> 01:41:00,639
play devil's advocate because i want the

3087
01:41:04,229 --> 01:41:02,639
truth as well and i think if anyone has

3088
01:41:06,470 --> 01:41:04,239
it it would be you know wright patterson

3089
01:41:07,510 --> 01:41:06,480
or battelle or something but i'm begging

3090
01:41:10,709 --> 01:41:07,520
to tell has it

3091
01:41:13,990 --> 01:41:10,719
if these materials exist

3092
01:41:15,510 --> 01:41:14,000
yeah for sure but um yeah i'm

3093
01:41:17,109 --> 01:41:15,520
again i'm after that kind of stuff

3094
01:41:18,550 --> 01:41:17,119
because that's that's actionable

3095
01:41:19,990 --> 01:41:18,560
intelligence it's tangible

3096
01:41:23,750 --> 01:41:20,000
scientific data you know what i mean you

3097
01:41:29,030 --> 01:41:25,590
spooky in a live chat says i'd like to

3098
01:41:31,669 --> 01:41:29,040
see a part two so would i

3099
01:41:32,790 --> 01:41:31,679
yeah man follow up on this once uh steve

3100
01:41:35,590 --> 01:41:32,800
cambion gets

3101
01:41:37,270 --> 01:41:35,600
you know the big boost from maybe some

3102
01:41:37,669 --> 01:41:37,280
of that fame from tim poole will wear

3103
01:41:40,229 --> 01:41:37,679
off

3104
01:41:42,790 --> 01:41:40,239
hey i hope so rub it rub it on me

3105
01:41:44,830 --> 01:41:42,800
brother i need all the help i can get

3106
01:41:46,149 --> 01:41:44,840
yeah and good for you what an amazing

3107
01:41:48,229 --> 01:41:46,159
experience

3108
01:41:49,350 --> 01:41:48,239
some of this crowd of like i got a flux

3109
01:41:51,910 --> 01:41:49,360
of uh

3110
01:41:52,870 --> 01:41:51,920
like 5 000 maybe 10 000 new subscribers

3111
01:41:55,430 --> 01:41:52,880
on youtube and

3112
01:41:56,790 --> 01:41:55,440
a flood of new twitter uh followers so

3113
01:41:57,750 --> 01:41:56,800
hopefully i introduce some people to

3114
01:41:59,590 --> 01:41:57,760
your work cal

3115
01:42:01,510 --> 01:41:59,600
and your work as well steve because i'm

3116
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:01,520
a big fan of both and uh

3117
01:42:05,189 --> 01:42:03,440
i wouldn't have made this connection if

3118
01:42:06,790 --> 01:42:05,199
i if that weren't the case and you know

3119
01:42:08,629 --> 01:42:06,800
yeah it's so funny to me because i

3120
01:42:09,990 --> 01:42:08,639
started reading jeremy's website like

3121
01:42:12,310 --> 01:42:10,000
you were one of the first people that

3122
01:42:14,790 --> 01:42:12,320
had a website that was into this stuff

3123
01:42:15,990 --> 01:42:14,800
early website i remember reading it for

3124
01:42:17,750 --> 01:42:16,000
years and it's just

3125
01:42:19,350 --> 01:42:17,760
it's kind of bizarre and surreal to me

3126
01:42:20,709 --> 01:42:19,360
that years later we're friends and you

3127
01:42:22,390 --> 01:42:20,719
know that's awesome

3128
01:42:24,390 --> 01:42:22,400
because i never would have thought that

3129
01:42:26,229 --> 01:42:24,400
you know reading it 10 years ago

3130
01:42:28,790 --> 01:42:26,239
when you know you had a website real

3131
01:42:31,830 --> 01:42:28,800
early didn't you you had like one of the

3132
01:42:34,149 --> 01:42:31,840
early web websites 2008 and then yeah

3133
01:42:35,990 --> 01:42:34,159
probably 2009 when i started all that

3134
01:42:37,750 --> 01:42:36,000
you know and i learned i got expired

3135
01:42:39,189 --> 01:42:37,760
from american anti-gravity who's tim

3136
01:42:40,229 --> 01:42:39,199
ventura and he's like he's the one

3137
01:42:42,229 --> 01:42:40,239
running our

3138
01:42:43,669 --> 01:42:42,239
apec you know propulsion conference

3139
01:42:45,109 --> 01:42:43,679
right now that's awesome

3140
01:42:46,709 --> 01:42:45,119
which is awesome because you know it's

3141
01:42:49,910 --> 01:42:46,719
just keeping the dream alive man

3142
01:42:51,030 --> 01:42:49,920
you know i don't know well that's

3143
01:42:52,790 --> 01:42:51,040
awesome

3144
01:42:59,189 --> 01:42:52,800
all right well are you wearing a star

3145
01:43:02,950 --> 01:43:01,109
you saw me i had the i had the darth

3146
01:43:04,229 --> 01:43:02,960
vader and the storm troopers on my shirt

3147
01:43:05,910 --> 01:43:04,239
and people were like oh

3148
01:43:08,229 --> 01:43:05,920
one of the top comments on the tim's

3149
01:43:09,830 --> 01:43:08,239
video was oh he's wearing a star wars

3150
01:43:12,550 --> 01:43:09,840
shirt we can immediately discredit

3151
01:43:14,629 --> 01:43:12,560
anything he says

3152
01:43:16,390 --> 01:43:14,639
in that spirit here right well i'm not

3153
01:43:20,470 --> 01:43:16,400
credible i mean all of us

3154
01:43:22,229 --> 01:43:20,480
feel like this is star wars abbey road

3155
01:43:26,629 --> 01:43:22,239
star wars abbey road there you go i'm

3156
01:43:30,629 --> 01:43:29,030
don't make me use this all right well

3157
01:43:32,149 --> 01:43:30,639
i'm gonna we're gonna wrap things up

3158
01:43:33,910 --> 01:43:32,159
here i'm gonna throw you guys both out

3159
01:43:36,470 --> 01:43:33,920
and play a short bumper and i will be

3160
01:43:37,750 --> 01:43:36,480
right back with you okay awesome thanks

3161
01:43:40,470 --> 01:43:37,760
again for doing this i really

3162
01:43:41,990 --> 01:43:40,480
appreciate it i'm going to throw you out

3163
01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:42,000
and then i'm going to throw you

3164
01:43:47,830 --> 01:43:45,280
out and well uh

3165
01:43:49,590 --> 01:43:47,840
friends what an amazing evening it has

3166
01:43:51,590 --> 01:43:49,600
been to talk to two of my

3167
01:43:53,350 --> 01:43:51,600
really two two of my favorite people

3168
01:43:55,590 --> 01:43:53,360
that are into these subjects

3169
01:43:56,629 --> 01:43:55,600
and i want to thank both of them again

3170
01:43:59,830 --> 01:43:56,639
uh

3171
01:44:01,750 --> 01:43:59,840
it's just this series is just got so

3172
01:44:05,590 --> 01:44:01,760
many twists and turns

3173
01:44:08,629 --> 01:44:05,600
you know we go from believing it to not

3174
01:44:10,870 --> 01:44:08,639
maybe not so much to thinking this

3175
01:44:14,310 --> 01:44:10,880
person is credible to thinking maybe

3176
01:44:17,830 --> 01:44:17,270
this is one of the greatest mysteries

3177
01:44:21,430 --> 01:44:17,840
and

3178
01:44:21,990 --> 01:44:21,440
can't wait to see what happens next

3179
01:44:24,550 --> 01:44:22,000
we're going to

3180
01:44:25,910 --> 01:44:24,560
be continuing our series i'm hopeful

3181
01:44:28,229 --> 01:44:25,920
that we're going to get

3182
01:44:29,870 --> 01:44:28,239
don schmidt to appear but i'm still

3183
01:44:32,070 --> 01:44:29,880
waiting for him to confirm

3184
01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:32,080
[Music]

3185
01:44:36,550 --> 01:44:33,760
stay tuned friends because we're going

3186
01:44:38,070 --> 01:44:36,560
to keep drilling down on this until we

3187
01:44:42,229 --> 01:44:38,080
get to some kind of

3188
01:44:43,830 --> 01:44:42,239
uh consensus all right friends uh

3189
01:44:44,950 --> 01:44:43,840
i want to thank you all for joining me

3190
01:44:46,629 --> 01:44:44,960
i'm always happy when there's an

3191
01:44:47,510 --> 01:44:46,639
audience thank you so much for being a

3192
01:44:49,590 --> 01:44:47,520
part of mine

3193
01:44:50,790 --> 01:44:49,600
until next time friends my name is

3194
01:45:06,480 --> 01:44:50,800
stephen campion

3195
01:46:16,860 --> 01:45:16,910
[Music]

3196
01:46:24,830 --> 01:46:16,870
[Applause]